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Collision Avoidance?

So I did my test drive, and I loved the car.

HOWEVER, I have 2 Chevy Volts and they have collision avoidance, and really don't want to live without Collision avoidance. Has anyone heard a rumor of when that will be incorporated into the car?

When I am tired its a life saver ( I am frequently very jetlagged), Also when I do anything on a touch screen, its nice to have the car looking out for me. I drive through Manhattan on the way to work. I need all the help I can get.

Also, the front lacks a bumper. Anyone had any experience with parallel parking? When the guy infront of you parks by Braille, are you headed to the body shop?

Cheers
Andrew

carlk | 18 november 2013

It's nice to hear systems like Mobileye works. It shouldn't be too hard for Tesla to just buy such system and integral it into the car I would think.

J.T. | 18 november 2013

It's amazing how little time it takes for a good idea to degenerate into just plain hard work.

Lighted vanity mirrors shouldn't be hard.
Programmable key fobs to seat positions shouldn't be hard.
Shuffle on USB music shouldn't be hard.
All windows close on fob shouldn't be hard.
Option for auto-dim of mirrors shouldn't be hard.

Hell, Rod and Barbra's entire Priority Software Enhancement list shouldn't be hard.

But things take time.

Enjoy the car the way it is and stop lamenting about what it doesn't have. Nothing good comes of it.

GaryREM.va.us | 18 november 2013

@Alex

Yes, I saw the installer database and used it to contact a local installer. However, I see we have multiple ways of installing so it falls back on the skills of the local people. I would assume the camera location would be the same so they should have a standard way of mounting and wiring.

I just am a little nervous about having someone popping trim and splicing wires in a car which is notorious for lack of documentation about it's systems. (Maybe Mobileye has been able to get documentation from Tesla).

Would be awesome for Tesla to integrate this info into the dash...

AAviator | 18 november 2013

Kleist,

You are attempting to defend the indefensible, and insulting me at the same time. The car should have collision avoidance. Its should be mandatory in ALL cars. Its at least as important as seat belts and airbags. Those protect you AFTER the accident, but why not avoid the accident in the first place?

And again, you apparently know very little about true fatigue and how it works, just that you have been tired. Humans are VERY poor judges of their own fatigue state, believe it or not. ANYTHING that helps with it or identifying unexpected or unanticipated fatigue is good.

Again. I have never had an accident. I am VERY careful about it and take all available precautions against fatigue, but it does come up on people. Especially if you operate a vehicle through a WOCL. (Window of Circadian Low) There are two of them a day, and I suspect you need to do some research on it, because I am sure you drive through at least the minor low... Lane departure set to its most sensitive will clue you in before you feel it, and before other cars notice you doing anything funny.

Furthermore, there are many other things that can cause distracted driving even in the best drivers. Ever had kids in your car? Again, something that covers your ass if you look away for a second is GOOD, and needed.

KUDOS to those that have actually posted helpful information on this thread. And the louder and longer the thread gets, I suspect the sooner the Collision avoidance will appear in the car. A car that claims to be the safest car in an accident, should ALSO be the best at avoiding the accident in the first place. Especially since they are under such an absolutely ridiculous microscope with the fires.

Just wait till the inevitable happens and somehow, some first responder who did not follow his training or the very clear instructions of the danger points on the car gets electrocuted. If that accident can be avoided in the first place don't you think that would be better, for all of our sakes (Think insurance costs)?

In the meantime, at least we have identified a method of retrofitting it to the Tesla, and I can only hope that Tesla service doesn't use it as a reason to void a warranty later. The really interesting thing is that it seams to be virtually the same unit that is put in all vehicles for collision avoidance. So its shouldn't be hard to fit into production cars, and then they will be able to use the multi-function displays to give the visual cues, vs the round add on or the cellphone...

The camera unit behind the Rear view mirror, looks identical to the one on my factory installed unit on my volt...

carlk | 18 november 2013

"Enjoy the car the way it is and stop lamenting about what it doesn't have. Nothing good comes of it"

Parking sensor and power folding mirrors are not good?

J.T. | 18 november 2013

@carlk. Suggesting improvements and lamenting are totally different.

Brian H | 18 november 2013

Barry;
Your one case proves nothing except that not all captains crash planes or cars in X years (where X is the length of your career).

AA;
"A car that claims to be the safest car in an accident, should ALSO be the best at avoiding the accident in the first place." Doesn't follow. A car could be best at one, both, or neither. 'Both' is needed for safest overall, however. Assuming the tech is available and works.

negarholger | 18 november 2013

@AAviator - this is an exchange of opinions... yours and mine may differ but there is no insult if I view the matter differently. In the end you have to make your own choices.
Fatigue is not limited to pilots or medical doctors... other professions get overworked too. But I don't let my employer get away with it - if he pressures me after 72 hrs of straight work to make a decision then I insist of taking the time to think it through.
I am not opposed to improvements ( collision avoidance etc ) but I am opposed to give you ( and me ) any slack in responsibility - if you are drunk, on drugs or overworked and drive in your personal car then that is solely you resposibility... no gadget can take that responisibilty away from you.

c.bussert67 | 19 november 2013

For me, when I feel my attention seems sluggish, I find a nice little muscle car to whip up on, like a camaro, mustang, BMW... Nothing gets the body at full attention like a good ol race. Only bummer is if I'm too close to home, I'm still amped up (pun intended) and can't go to sleep! LOL

AAviator | 19 november 2013

Kleist,

Ok, now we are in agreement. Its not that I believe collision avoidance takes the responsibility away from someone, its just that the added layer of protection is necessary. And remember, even when you think you are rested (I slept 9 hours last night) You might not be, and by the time YOU notice it, its too late, you are already impaired.

Interestingly, I have heard back from higher up the food chain in Palo Alto about this, as I wrote several suggestions and queries. They don't have a date back for implementation yet but they claim they take all feed back to heart.

I responded to that by suggesting that Tesla become a certified installer for Mobileye at the local service center (Springfield NJ in my case)as a local (Dealer) option. That would actually be a good interim step (Like the center console can be ordered etc)and make me feel a lot more comfortable about the installation with the full force of Tesla Motors service centers behind it. I would happily pay 1200-1500 to have it installed by Tesla. While I would prefer to have full integration from day one, this retro fit would suit my purposes adequately.

Hopefully they will choose to run with that suggestion.

Brian H | 19 november 2013

AA;
Yes, most people think 1 night cures all. But "sleep debt" is almost arithmetically cumulative. You must make up for every hour you missed in order to be rested.

olanmills | 19 november 2013

"Has anyone heard a rumor of when that will be incorporated into the car?"

It has been a tough issue, but from what I hear, it varies greatly from driver to driver. :p

Seriously though, it sounds like you need to not drive when you're sleepy and pay more attention. I find it very scary that you want to rely on collision avoidance for situations in which you shouldn't be driving or choosing not to pay attention to driving.

You need an automated Google car apparently.

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