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Got to love those doors - got to hate the southern designer...

Got to love those doors - got to hate the southern designer...

Hello everyone,

I look at the videos and photos at various angles - I just can't see this vehicle in Canada or Nothern countries... in winter.

YES this vehicle WILL sleep outside... might be a Tesla, but it is a car ! Nice one... shall I add too.. but a car. It's main fonction is to be a car. Not every car has a garage.

Please explain to me how can we get the chidren in the car at -25 Celcius, with 2 inches of ice (add a couple of inches of snow over the ice) on the car?

First thing someone will say is probable something like "you take the snow off and the heat inside will either get the ice unstuck or it will melt it". Been there - done that with an electric heater inside the gas car - tried for a couple of years. The inside gets warm, the outside is and stayes iced up as soon as we hit -23 degrees celcius.

It's not enough to get all that ice off, and if the doors open, the ice will get near the top hinges and when it closes.. imagine any and all possible senarios. If this vehicle is to be sold internationally, small details like this HAVE to be kept in mind by the design team. Even if it is designed with Southern temperture thinking - it might be sold in Northern areas.

Can someone please give me the information - or solution - that I have not yet found?

Brian H | 18 maj 2014

Why would it be any different than an iced ICE? Why should it be free of ice and snow where an ICE is not? Try applying the same standards to each.

Bob-KBM | 18 maj 2014

Because the hinges are mot on the roof.... in a réguler car - or on the MS.

Mr. Peabody | 18 maj 2014

I live in warm areas, so I don't have any experience with this. However, it is just a new design, and a new design might require new methods and practices or new technology to solve the problem.

In my opinion, to say that the car has to have old-technology doors to allow it to work just like your old-technology current vehicle is no different than saying it has to have an internal combustion engine because your old car has one. It just will require new processes or technology to make it work. Just because you will have to do something different from what you have done in the past doesn't make it wrong or impossible -- it might be easier and better, just like the electric power.

That Tesla would only offer falcon-wing doors and not provide a way for the vehicle doors to open when covered with snow is just unthinkable to me.

Of course, the idea that they would put the first cross-country Supercharger path through the snowy north, using 30+ Superchargers, rather than across I-10 which would have been open year round and taken 12 superchargers seems a little mentally challenged, but that was not an engineering decision, I'm sure.

NumberOne | 18 maj 2014

I have had several occasions where I live in Virginia that we had freezing rain, leaving about 1/2 to 1 inch of ice on the car. I could not get the doors open, no matter how I tried. Removing ice from the windshield wipers is even worse. The solution I have come up with is plastic over those.

In the case of the Model X, if you are spending that much money on it, it is a major investment, and will likely be purchased mostly by people who are able to garage it. The simplest solution for ice is a car cover, which you only need to use if you are expecting an ice storm. Ice that is bad enough to cause a problem is relatively rare. The key is to clean much more commonly experienced snow off the car as soon as possible so that it does not melt and re-freeze.

Red Sage ca us | 19 maj 2014

I'm pretty sure that having sliding or swinging doors doesn't make vehicles immune to snowfall.

In an actual snowstorm, I'd be in the house, next to a roaring fire, reading a book, and enjoying a nice cognac. And I don't even drink. One glass would last me weeks, so I wouldn't be going anywhere at all.

In Southern California you can't shovel sunshine, but I remember real weather. Walking around a building with the wind in your face, no matter which direction you went around... sideways rain... ice, snow, sleet, rain, icicles... frozen pipes. I have nothing to prove. Mother nature wins.

But I also know that when you gotta go, you gotta go. And you know full well that there will be mud, and rain, and ice, and slush, and puddles, and snow -- getting into the car, and getting out of the car. That's the facts, Jack. Can't be avoided, unless you have an enclosed garage on both ends of your trip. Which is beyond rare.

So really, there is no reason to bother worrying over the performance of the Falcon Wing Doors on the Tesla Model X during inclimate weather conditions. The same will happen with this vehicle as every other you have used. Stuff will get wet, things will be ruined, people will be miserable. If you want to avoid all that, you can always move to Los Angeles. Worked for me.

holidayday | 20 maj 2014

Bob: "Please explain to me how can we get the chidren in the car at -25 Celcius, with 2 inches of ice (add a couple of inches of snow over the ice) on the car?

First thing someone will say is probable something like "you take the snow off and the heat inside will either get the ice unstuck or it will melt it". Been there - done that"

Well, what doesn't work for a regular might not work for an electric car either.

Other than a garage, car port, or car cover, what other options do you want? External roof heaters?

What price are you willing or able to pay for this option?

jeeps17 | 28 maj 2014

Living in Montreal, I think I get what the OP is saying.

It is true that any vehicle can be difficult to get into in the case of significant freezing rain or heavy snowfall. The difference is that with a regular car or minivan, the owner can scrape the ice off and eventually open the doors (even though it may take a LONG time - speaking from experience here).

This may not be possible with a model X, specifically in the case of freezing rain (with the appropriate telescoping brush, snow can be pushed off the roof in the vast majority of cases). Given the height of the vehicle, I cannot see how thick ice on the roof could be scraped off, and wonder if that could prevent the doors from opening.

Another potential issue is ice chunks falling into the vehicle when the doors do open.

My wife loves the S (aside from lack of interior storage nooks for her "stuff"), but has actually put a soft veto on the X until we see how these falcon doors work in real winter climate.

Red Sage ca us | 28 maj 2014

Jeeps17: Good points, but I don't expect to see the Falcon Wing Doors go away. It will be part of the design of the Tesla Model X forevermore. They will not have an alternate version of the car with sliding or swinging doors instead.

There is the possibility that Tesla Motors will allow for running boards to be installed, to aid in reaching the roof. But again, those are usually only for reaching and securing cargo that is on a rooftop. And with the battery location, I'm not sure if running boards could be properly secured, to allow someone to reach, and clean ice & snow from the rooftop in the manner you outline.

On the other hand... It doesn't really look that tall to me. At 6'-1" tall, I think I could reach every part of the roof just fine for removing ice or clearing snow as needed.

georgehawley.fl.us | 30 maj 2014

I fully expect to see a video starring Elon Musk with a Model X up in the Lake Tahoe area next winter. His car will be coated with ice and snow. He will press a button on his fob and the falcon wing doors will open shedding ice and snow in all directions except vertically downwards on passengers. And this thread will suffer a heavy loss of complaints devolving to those who must have a roof rack.

Red Sage ca us | 31 maj 2014

George: +1 UP! Precisely.