Florida passes autonomous vehicle law

Florida passes autonomous vehicle law

The following is a quote from Autobeat Daily:

"Florida has enacted a law that allows fully autonomous vehicles to be operated on public roads with no human driver on board.

The measure will take effect on July 1. It requires robotic cars to be fully insured, and it exempts their occupants from state laws against texting or watching videos while riding in such vehicles. The measure also prohibits local governments from imposing special taxes or fees on autonomous vehicles used to provide passenger transport services.

The law allows insurers to offer lower rates for cars equipped with factory-installed or retrofitted autonomous driving systems, as long as the technology complies with National Highway Traffic Safety Administration standards.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the bill yesterday at an event celebrating phase one development of Florida’s SunTrax mobility test track in Auburndale". | 14 juni 2019

Good for Florida. Fourty-nine states to go.

Tropopause | 14 juni 2019

That’s great. Hope Elon is aware.

dougk71 | 14 juni 2019

In the local press all of Tesla FSD competitors are mentioned but not Tesla with over a billion miles of data. Millions of those miles were driven in Florida ( did many myself) yet no mention of Tesla. It is sad the aversion the press has to anything positive about Tesla. No instead a few Waymo miles driven in Miami with geofenced software and $20,0000 LIDAR sensors or Phoniness Arizona gets the headline. Tesla needs to get a PR person to spoon feed the press the good news otherwise the press will never find any.

carlk | 14 juni 2019

Why would they want to mention Tesla? To help it to wipe out companies that are a major sources of its ad income? A PR person is not good enough. This is the only instance buying advertisement is good for the company.

Boonedocks | 14 juni 2019

Other states have already passed the same more than a couple of years ago

TranzNDance | 14 juni 2019

Thumbs up for Florida.

kerryglittle | 14 juni 2019

Canada is probably a 100 years away from that. They wont even allow us to use the FOB so they aren't about to let cars go free range. If ever. Would be nice though. It would save a lot of lives I'm sure.

marika.appell | 14 juni 2019

You may have noticed in my post the Florida is constructing a test track primarily for autonomous vehicles, Suntrax.
Check the link,

Tropopause | 14 juni 2019

Tesla can take advantage of the new Florida law despite the local ad failing to mention them. The way I see it- let the media ignore the truth about Tesla. When the genie comes out of the bottle, it’ll be an onslaught at all levels.

p.c.mcavoy | 14 juni 2019

Realize that actually delivering a feature beyond current EAP to actual customers still requires full approval by NHTSA under the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. The only thing this law really does at the moment is allow manufacturers to test FSD cars without having a driver behind the wheel.

jlackey1948 | 14 juni 2019

If an autonomous vehicle causes a wreck, is the owner or the manufacturer liable? | 15 juni 2019

@jlackey - Good question - yet to be resolved. It may be the insurance covers it, since the owner is responsible to have insurance. If it can be proven the autonomous software did something wrong, then the manufacturer may be liable. I suspect that's why Tesla may get into the insurance business. One outcome may be that you have to buy the insurance from the vehicle manufacturer - although I suspect the insurance industry will figure a way to get in on the action.

PBEndo | 15 juni 2019

I am no lawyer, but it may be treated the same way it currently is. The owner of the car is liable unless it can be shown that they acted properly and the car had a defect or design flaw that caused the accident, in which case the manufacturer is liable. For example, if a manufacturing defect or design flaw resulted in premature and sudden brake failure, the driver of that vehicle would not be responsible for an accident caused by the brake failure.
However, as long as the manufacturer includes language in the user agreement stating that the driver must remain attentive and able to take control of the car to avoid accidents, the manufacturer will be (somewhat) insulated from liability.

PBEndo | 15 juni 2019

^^I think

carlk | 15 juni 2019

***If an autonomous vehicle causes a wreck, is the owner or the manufacturer liable?***

It will be covered one way or the other if you have insurance with special language to cover the situation. I guess that's the reason why Elon wants to get into the insurance business. Regular insurance companies have neither the foresight nor the knowledge to handle autonomous cars.

kerryglittle | 15 juni 2019

Just don't be drunk behind the wheel. In Canada insurance won't cover you if you are impaired. At least it used to be if things haven't changed. I know of a young lad who got his first job and took out a big loan for a new car. He later celebrated his car and job with a few to many drinks with some friends and crashed his car into a ditch on the way home. For years after he was paying for a car he never had that was totalled. No it wasn't me. LOL.

carlk | 15 juni 2019

Alcohol related industries will be one of the beneficiaries of self driving cars.

carlk | 15 juni 2019

Full self driving cars of course.

kerryglittle | 16 juni 2019

Not to sure about that @carlk. There was a case where a man was passed out in his car. The car was off but his keys were in the ignition. So he still was in control of that vehicle and he was charged by police. He's mould have hid the keys outside of the car if he wanted to sleep it off. My wife works in the justice system so I get to hear all the bizarre stories.. Some you just wouldn't believe. LOL.

Haggy | 17 juni 2019

The car would have to be certified by regulators as self driving, so even if it's feature complete, if Tesla isn't saying that it's FSD yet, the law won't apply.

The problem I see is that there will be an FSD mode, and the car can be driven manually. Cops won't have a way to tell, unless there's nobody in the driver's seat.

Tropopause | 17 juni 2019

Remove the steering wheel or let Tesla insure their own cars.

kerryglittle | 18 juni 2019

I still say there will be situations where FSD won't work. Back roads with no lines, dirt roads, snow covered roads, heavy rainfall. Wont our cars need lines to stay in their lane?

marika.appell | 18 juni 2019

I always travel I95 and the turnpike with NOA activated. I agree with kerryglittle that FSD has a long way to go. Probably not in my lifetime.

SamO | 18 juni 2019

Marika- are you very sick? I’ll pray for you as my car enters the Tesla Network.


marika.appell | 25 juni 2019

More detailed information on the new Florida law was recently posted by Jalopnik that indicates Tesla may push advanced software updates to Florida drivers.

p.c.mcavoy | 26 juni 2019

@marika.appell - What the author of the jalopnik article totally overlooks is that an approval by NHTSA under the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards is still required for any manufacturer to offer to consumers. Florida, nor any other state, has a totally independent vehicle safety certification. This law does clear the way to make it easier for a manufacturer like Tesla to be testing a fully autonomous vehicle without a driver behind the wheel on public streets in the state of Florida, but not actually for sale to consumers until such time as a NHTSA approval is achieved.

Recall that the move by Tesla to make some of the driver nags more pervasive as the result of certain events was not driven by any challenge from state regulators, such as Florida, but resulted out of dialogue with NHTSA relative to the overriding federal safety certification.

That's where I believe both the author's comments and your further interpretation of the article to indication "Tesla may push advanced software updates to Florida drivers" is way ahead of itself and not well grounded in the actual approval requirements that are necessary.

PhillyGal | 26 juni 2019

NoA does not work on my part of I-95. Because of a decade+ long construction project, the north or southbound lanes shift to and from the center.

As it stands today and has for months (a year+ perhaps), when I'm driving northbound the car knows I'm on 95 but then suddenly thinks I've dropped down to the surface streets and Nav always tries to get me make a to turn... It rights itself a few miles later and realizes I'm still on 95.

I know great minds are working on it but I still can't wrap my head around how they'll figure out construction/temp lanes.

jordanrichard | 26 juni 2019

PG +1 The Northeast is always under construction because we have a relative short season that road work can be done. So projects take longer, but once one project is done, they start another.

marika.appell | 26 juni 2019

Yes, I agree that Florida specific software push by Tesla may be way ahead of itself. As I have said previously, those that drive using NoA no that there is a very long road ahead to FSD.

NKYTA | 26 juni 2019

@marika, join the network.

steveg1701 | 27 juni 2019

And it looks like one company has wasted no time taking advantage of the new law!

marika.appell | 27 juni 2019

@steveg1701, It appears as everybody is getting into autonomous vehicles. It will be no surprise to see nobody in the drivers seat in a few years.

dougk71 | 28 juni 2019

Will Florida require FSD to brake for alligators in the roadway. Both types living and stripped retreads from 18 wheelers that all too often take detours to avoid safety inspection stations.