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Battery upgrade cost

MS 70 to 75 = $500 ($100 per kWh)
MS 60 to 75 = $2000 ($133.33 per kWh)

Why would it be more expensive for MS 60 owners???

I would click 'Buy' if the 60 upgrade was the same price per kWh.

Bighorn | 17 april 2017

It was just deeply discounted and you're complaining? Wow.

TravisR.21 | 17 april 2017

Wow indeed, why should I pay 33% more for the same flip of the switch?

frankie.fingers | 17 april 2017

It's more expensive because for the 60 to 75, they have to change both numbers when they re-badge. For the 70-75, it's only one number.

You're welcome.

TravisR.21 | 17 april 2017

LOL, that explains it, Frankie! :D

akikiki | 17 april 2017

Yeah, that will show'em

Silver2K | 17 april 2017

Just guessing

the profit margin on the 60 is less than the 70, thus the battery upgrade is costlier.

Or what fingers said. ;-)

SamO | 17 april 2017

lol @Frankie!

+1 Silver

Epoints | 17 april 2017

Tweet the question to Elon....

Haggy | 17 april 2017

They are supposed to go by the price difference between the 70 and 75 for one, and the difference between the 60 and 75 for the other. It means that when you got the 60, you got more of a price break than somebody who bought the 70. You are not paying more. The 70 owner already paid part of the money. It cost me $10,000 to upgrade from the 60 to the 85. It sounds like you'd get a good deal to me.

Bighorn | 17 april 2017

Here's something to chew on if you only feel good getting a better deal than everybody else:

by Teslamodelx on April 17, 2017
Hi everybody, specially the 60D Model X owners. Today I found that Tesla is offering an 80% discounted battery upgrade option for Model S 60 owners to 75D in their Tesla page for only $2,000!!! While they kept the pricing for the same battery upgrade for us the MX 60D owners at $6,000! Why do you think the reason might be for this unfair decision? I would purchase the same upgrade for the same discounted price in a heart beat!

burdogg | 17 april 2017

What? Life's not fair? Hey, I got screwed completely - I got a 70D, then 1 month later, the 70D refresh came out, and now they can upgrade to a 75 and I can't!

Oh, and the person that got a 75D two months ago is mad as heck, they should have bought a 60D, so then it would only be $2,000 more to get the 75D. They got screwed.

Man, why is is always about what someone else gets that I didn't! I bought my 70D and was extremely happy when I got it. They changed some things shortly after, but I was still happy - I got what I wanted, when I wanted it. Hey, I can be happy for others that got a better deal. Life is too short to always feel like you are the one that got cheated. Fair to us seems to be either I get what you got, or better than you got, but never less than what you got. hmm.

hsuru4u | 17 april 2017

dont worry it will go down to $500 one day soon....people are so strange..If noone jumped on at 2k they would have to wonder and then lower it more...bythe looks of this thread fools already paid 2k when they could have held out for 500.00..not everyone who has a tesla is rich

justin.rogers77 | 18 april 2017

the 60 is actually a 62.4 and the 75 is actually a 72.6. the 70 is a 65.9 Kwh of usable capacity. so you are only paying for an increase of actual usable space.
So.....
MS 70 to 75 = $500 ($74.63 per kWh)
MS 60 to 75 = $2000 ($196.08 per kWh)

Wait? What?!?!?!?

https://electrek.co/2016/12/14/tesla-battery-capacity/

tomjillpag | 18 april 2017

I was very happy to be able to upgrade my MS 70D to a 75D for $500. Why do we feel it's necessary to complain about everything. If you don't like the pricing just don't get it and shut up.

justin.rogers77 | 18 april 2017

@Tomjillpang, my post was a joke... a spoof on the thread. Very impolite to tell someone to shut up. more like don't read the thread and keep comments to yourself that don't have anything material to contribute! Love how the anonymity of the internet gives someone huevose that normally doesn't have any to say things that there momma would smack them three days into next week for saying.

Still very interesting to calculate $/Kwh... FYI I spent the 2k and feel it was worth it.

hkellington48 | 18 april 2017

Please excuse any ignorance on my part. Just need one question answered. If I upgrade to 75D from my 60D will I actually get more mileage than my fully charged to 100% batteries?

Bill_75D | 18 april 2017

You will get more range, if that's what you mean by mileage.

TeslaTap.com | 18 april 2017

At 100% charge:

EPA 60D - 210 miles of range
EPA 75D - 259 miles of range

Now the 60D could be charged at 100% all the time, but you really shouldn't charge the 75 to 100% all the time to improve battery longevity - more likely 90% or something close to 228 miles. You can charge to 100% (259 miles) when needed.

DCTeslaEnthusiast | 18 april 2017

After 2 days of pondering, I went ahead and bit the bullet. I was predicting they would lower the cost of the upgrade from 60D to 75D because of the pricing structures of the Model 3s. It just makes logical sense to keep a tiered pricing approach for 3s to the 75/90/100.

After purchasing it now, I see my profile page for the car says 75D and called my service center and they are gonna put on the new badge. This is the best car I've ever had in my life and I hope one day after a few years I could do another battery upgrade to the 100D if possible :)

DCTeslaEnthusiast | 18 april 2017

After 2 days of pondering, I went ahead and bit the bullet. I was predicting they would lower the cost of the upgrade from 60D to 75D because of the pricing structures of the Model 3s. It just makes logical sense to keep a tiered pricing approach for 3s to the 75/90/100.

After purchasing it now, I see my profile page for the car says 75D and called my service center and they are gonna put on the new badge. This is the best car I've ever had in my life and I hope one day after a few years I could do another battery upgrade to the 100D if possible :)

derek | 18 april 2017

I checked with Tesla. They tell me that the 60 to 75 upgrade increases range but does not increase top speed to 140 mph.

Bighorn | 18 april 2017

@TTap
60D is 218 EPA--you're thinking straight 60.

sp_tesla | 18 april 2017

frankie.fingers | April 17, 2017
It's more expensive because for the 60 to 75, they have to change both numbers when they re-badge. For the 70-75, it's only one number.

You're welcome."

Great funny answer, +10

sp_tesla | 18 april 2017

"TeslaTap.com | April 18, 2017
At 100% charge:

EPA 60D - 210 miles of range
EPA 75D - 259 miles of range

ow the 60D could be charged at 100% all the time, but you really shouldn't charge the 75 to 100% all the time to improve battery longevity - more likely 90% or something close to 228 miles."

Best deal in town, upgrading 60 @ 100% to 75 @ 90% cost only $2K for 18 additional miles.

hkellington48 | 18 april 2017

@Bill_75D thanks then I'll bite the bullet!

Bill_75D | 18 april 2017

hkellington48, you will get 41 more EPA rated miles. I think it is a great deal. There are a couple of places I wanted to go that were just outside of the range of my 60D and now I can get there without a worry.

funcc | 18 april 2017

I guess I got a great deal 2 weeks ago when I charged my 60D to 100% for a trip and it gave me 222 miles when it is only supposed to give me 210.

jfemd.va.us | 18 april 2017

Here's another question ... will I ever be able to upgrade my 85 to a 100? Elon has talked about upgrading batteries but see no current option to do so.

hsuru4u | 18 april 2017

our full charged s60d was at 225 miles....we keep it at 80% or so usually..

reed_lewis | 18 april 2017

@funcc, the 60D is supposed to go 219 miles. It is the 60 that is 210.

michael | 27 april 2017

I have a 70D now, what increase in range will I get with the upgrade to 75? does charging the 70 to 100% any different than a 75 to 90%

hsuru4u | 27 april 2017

its all just number pushing...like any retail pricing..Wow i saved 80% lol....I am just glad i didnt get the 75d that was 7k or so more the the 60d at the time....otherwise now i would feel pretty ripped off...but the 60 is for us plenty distance.No upgrade needed here...2k is still a number too high to me

MJP.75D | 27 april 2017

My 70D had just been ordered when the option to upgrade to a 75D was announced. I bit. Cost? Yep, you guessed it...$3000! I hope everyone feels better now and can get back to the fun of driving your Tesla. Oh, and I have no regrets....the car is simply too phenomenal to spend time looking in the rear view mirror or thinking about what could have been.

p.c.mcavoy | 27 april 2017

" ... the car is too phenomenal to spend time looking in the rear view mirror ..."

Gee, I thought looking in the rear view mirror is exactly what we're supposed to do so we can see the car that was parked beside us at the last traffic light!

mdmgso | 28 april 2017

Buying the 5 kWh hours (actually 3.8 usable kWhs - 68.8 to 72.6) for $500 was a no brainer.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/gps-refresh-issue

We live in north Greensboro , NC, and we go to Raleigh (175 miles round trip), my son's house in Charlotte (220 mile round trip), Roaring Gap in the mountains (180 mile round trip) and Asheville (180 miles one way). In my wife's S70 we were unable to make the round trip to Charlotte without topping of at the Charlotte SC, which made a long day trip longer. In the winter, Asheville was at the edge of capacity because of the 1,200 ft elevation change and cold temperatures, and there are currently no SCs between Asheville and Greensboro. Round trip to Roaring Gap was also on the edge of capacity because of the 2,300ft change in elevation (although we never had a real problem because we have a 14-30 charger at our house there).

The extra range available by adding the additional capacity takes the worry out of being close on all those trips.

DonS | 28 april 2017

@ jfemd.va.us
Tesla made no promises about battery upgrades, but they tout 1 million plus miles for the drive train. Cars are going to need new batteries to reach 1 million miles. We can all hope that higher capacities will be available when the time comes to replace degrading batteries.

Bill_75D | 28 april 2017

1,000,000+ miles, huh? Some forum members have had their drive units replaced more than once already!

bph237 | 24 maj 2017

Well I have a Model X, and I would love to upgrade from the 60D to the 75D for the $2000 or the $100 per kilowatt but unfortunately for me, an upgrade cost $4500, which doesn't make much sense since I already own the battery and all they would have to do is release the same software. So why should one pay more than the other. I would prefer to upgrade to a 100D because I really need the range.

Smilepak | 29 juni 2017

I agree with @burdogg, I'm in the same boat. I got the 70D and months later they decided to release an upgradable 70D via software to 75D. Those who purchased the 70D earlier got screwed. There is absolutely no plan for a path to upgrade.

I plan to keep the car long term and would love to have a battery upgrade path. I don't need the performance P gives. I am happy with the performance 70D has right now. I just want more range.

kwen197 | 29 juni 2017

Cost to upgrade S90D to S100D ???

eAdopter | 29 juni 2017

MS 70 to 75 = $500 ($100 per kWh)
MS 60 to 75 = $2000 ($133.33 per kWh)

But it could be worse:
MS 40 to 60 = $11000 ($550 per kWh without Supercharging)

And if they want Supercharging enabled
MS 40 to 60 = $11000 ($650 per kWh including Supercharging)

And it's only software, no hardware. Confirmed by Tesla.

eAdopter | 29 juni 2017

Oops:

And if they want Supercharging enabled
MS 40 to 60 = $13000 ($650 per kWh including Supercharging)

murraypetera | 29 juni 2017

I was quoted $15,000 to upgrade my 40 to a 60. A very expensive bit to flip. Perhaps is a very heavy quantum bit requiring the building of a new quantum computer to flip it.

SUN 2 DRV | 29 juni 2017

You guys are looking at it completely backwards. It doesn't matter at all what it might cost Tesla to enable these capabilities.

What matters is whether it delivers value to YOU for the price you're asked to pay. If you like the value proposition then buy it, if not then pass... Tesla's cost is irrelevant.

hsuru4u | 29 juni 2017

i agree with the op...most of the flack here will be from fools who jumped in at 6k or 5k and got ripped of or jumped at the 2k and also got ripped off....if noone would have jumped at the 2k it would hsave gone down even more of course....gotta have those 49 miles i guess for 2k....

no me...still a rip to me i am fine with s60d

hsuru4u | 29 juni 2017

they are just all numbers anyhow....it was 10k now its 5 k..what a deal.....now its 4k...wow even better deal huh...now its 2k....oh man thats amazing ..from 10k to 2k.....so most take the bait and tesla makes more $$ for just flipping a software switch...

If people would just have held out and posted here that 2k is still too much and at $500 its fair..then who knows they may have dropped it again...=never know

Rocky_H | 29 juni 2017

@SUN 2 DRV, Quote: "Tesla's cost is irrelevant."

I would say it's sort of half right. It's not their build cost, but there is opportunity cost to Tesla. The battery cells are already out there in the cars, so that ship has sailed. But, they are leaving money on the table if they don't get people to pay for those. So they could get a few thousand dollars back from people upgrading, or they have it priced so high that they get nothing.

freeewilly | 29 juni 2017

The cost from 60 to 90 should be lowest. Just rotate 6 to 9.

SUN 2 DRV | 29 juni 2017

Rocky: Yes, I agree and should have been clearer.... Tesla's cost is irrelevant to the customer deciding whether to purchase an option. But of course Tesla's costs are very relevant to Tesla.

p.c.mcavoy | 29 juni 2017

@Rocky_H - " So they could get a few thousand dollars back from people upgrading, or they have it priced so high that they get nothing."

Sort of, but depending upon the break points where certain customers are willing to buy, at times selling a few at high cost can make you more than selling more at a lower cost. For example, are 5 customers. Only 1 willing to pay $10k, but 4 would buy at $2k. I'm still money ahead to price at $10k and only sell 1.

Now what I think likely is the case in this situation is there are a spectrum of customers, each with different price points say 10k, 8k, 6k, 4K, and 2k.

I can price at 2k, sell all five right away and pocket $10k total.

Alternatively, I can start at 10k, and then slowly over time reduce the price. In time I'll sell all five, and pocket at total of $30k (10+8+6+4+2).

Now this last model breaks down if it become predictable and consumers are willing to wait. That's what's happened for many consumer goods. Many folks have some to realize that if I just wait, it will get marked down or go on sale, so unless you really must have it right now, you wait for the sale.

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