ICE car blocking Supercharger

ICE car blocking Supercharger

I visited the new Tesla Supercharger station on I-95 in Milford, CT the other day (southbound side). One of the two stations was occupied by a Honda Accord. I'm afraid this will become a fairly common occurrence, since these are premium spots near the convenience store/dining, even though the spots are clearly posted as for Tesla vehicles only. A couple came out and got in their car a few minutes later. I wanted to make a snappy comment guaranteed to shame this guy, but I was at a loss. Anyone have any ideas for rebukes that aren't likely to cause a fistfight? | 13. Januar 2013

How about "Wow I didn't know Tesla made the Accord!".

sidney_wang | 13. Januar 2013

I read somewhere that there is no law (maybe State dependent?) to preclude non-EV cars from parking in those charging spaces. That needs to change in my opinion.

jat | 13. Januar 2013

How about "would you appreciate it if you pulled into a gas station and I had parked my car in front of the gas pump while I wasn't using it?"

eborgstrom | 13. Januar 2013

Nice suggestion,! I was thinking of something like "Wow, is that one of those new electric cars you're driving?"

jchangyy | 13. Januar 2013 guys are too nice. I would've just blocked them in and extend the charging cord, if it can stretch that far.

portia | 13. Januar 2013

hmm, I doubt the cord would extend that long, if it's like the other superchargers, it barely reaches the car when you are parked correctly! 2-3 feet at most.

Superliner | 13. Januar 2013

Or perhaps call the local authorities and see if such a parking restriction exists? I always got chapped when I was blocked from entry by a gas burner at public charge station when I lived in Orange County Ca.

tork | 13. Januar 2013

In my own personal opinion...
I believe that chargers should not be placed in premium parking locations. If anything they should be placed further away to prevent occurrences like these from happening. It's really a win-win. You get free electricity and a greater chance of having an open parking spot with charger. Gas car owners don't feel compelled to take your parking spot out of ignorance/spite/jealousy/etc. Again, just my personal opinion. Easy for me to say though since I'm not disable or handicapped.

Ideally I would prefer that laws are enacted to prevent this kind of behavior but I'm sure the likelihood of this happening anytime soon is quite small. And even so, they will probably be treated like handicapped parking spaces which are generally abused by people "just running in for a few minutes."

Sudre_ | 13. Januar 2013

Don't need a law in a private parking lot. There just needs to be a sign that says 'Non-compliant cars will be towed and owners expense.' There are tow companies lining up to make this kind of easy money.

Sudre_ | 13. Januar 2013

Although I agree with tork. Don't make ICE drivers hate BEVs.

gangawu | 13. Januar 2013

Why starts any kind of fight or argument, patient is golden.

But I agree, they should build rest of the parking spaces away from prime spot. I don't like to park my vehicle close to people anyway to avoid car ding and scratch. This would be a good suggestion to voice to TM.

HansJ | 13. Januar 2013

Type "you park like a ..." into google and pick one of the many fine sites that specialize in shaming people that park like , well, "like a ..." ;-)

stevenmaifert | 13. Januar 2013

Slip one of these under his windshield wiper:

I'd do the last one!!!

Velo1 | 13. Januar 2013
jchangyy | 13. Januar 2013

how about spikes underground that disappears only with tesla's hidden transponder. or atleast put up a sign that says "Caution: spikes will activate and damage your tire if you are not driving Telsa vehicle"

portia | 13. Januar 2013

although I may want to, but a nasty note may have unintended consequences, it would cost you way more if they get nasty and keyed your Tesla or maybe some other innocent Tesla! I think the first two blink notes are more appropriate.

Brian H | 13. Januar 2013

A sticky patch that says, "Buy an EV to qualify for this spot", that shreds into tiny pieces that have to be removed one by one.

shaneosullivan1 | 13. Januar 2013

Or Telsa could put in cameras that use image recognition to spot non-Tesla cars, and make some kind of loud sound. Beeping, a person asking you to remove your car, whatever

enadler | 13. Januar 2013

Tork is correct. The only way to ensure that ICE's are not parked in these spots is to install these spots in less desirable locations. If this were the case there would be no reason for ICE vehicles to want to use these spots. This would avoid unnecessary confrontations.

dstiavnicky | 13. Januar 2013

Just walk over and shove the electric cable into his gas tank...
P.S. - move back a few hundred feet.

drp | 13. Januar 2013

Jerks park in handicapped spots all the time, without regard to he law.
We will never be able to stop then all.
When they leave you will be able to charge. When you leave, they will still be a jerk.

jamestily | 13. Januar 2013

Take a picure of the car in the spot including the license plate.
Then someone needs to create a web site for displaying all of these until the owners can be identified and fined or punished in some way. We need a creative guru to handle this.

ModelWoo | 13. Januar 2013

i think it's ok from them to park non-Teslas for a short time

TikiMan | 13. Januar 2013

We should come up with a VERY realistic looking parking ticket (not related to any company, or Tesla), that will shock the crap out of anyone who does this, when they come back to their car.

Then at the very bottom of the ticket (under where it says where to appear in court, the date, violation, fees, etc) in a very tiny 2pt font...

"You are probably really pissed, shocked, and freaking out right now because you got a ticket for being a dumb-ass, or smart-ass by parking in a clearly marked 'EV only' charging station spot. The shock, anger, etc you are experiencing right now is not much different than shock, anger, etc the person who placed this ticket on your car was feeling seeing your gasoline burning vehicle, parked in a designated electric-vehicle charging station spot. The next time you do this in the future, the ticket you find might very well be a REAL ticket, or worse".

noel.smyth | 13. Januar 2013

i drove to NY (the Bronx) from philly area today to drop off my daughter at school. it was really my second day with the car (got my temp tags yesterday so today was really my first learning of how the range would be. its a 240 round trip for me and i left with exactly 240 rated miles. knowing that would not do it on a cold day and driving the NJTP (70 is slow on this highway) I knew I would need a top off in the bronx...I found a somewhat new charge point station in the parking garage of the botanical gardens right next to her school and i even called there in advance to confirm its there and working. When I arrived there were in fact two parking stations but both had gas cars in them.. I asked the garage employee to move the cars and he was very hesitant as I dont think he actually had the authority to do so as the signing does not indicate such. it just says electric car parking. while waiting for the garage employee, the owner of one of the cars walks back to his car with his two small children and I just say - why do you think its ok for you to park in that spot? and that there was a tow truck being called to move his car (which I was not actually sure was happening)... his response was a sheepish - the guy told me to park anywhere...
I did get my top off of about 55 more miles of range and got home with about 25miles available.

for this to work, garage owners need to be diligent in enforcing the EV parking for EVs.. and I agree with keeping EVs in not the best parking spot.

stevenmaifert | 14. Januar 2013

There's no easy answer to this problem. The EV stalls tend to be in the more desirable parking locations, not necessarily as a perk to us, but because of the extraordinary cost of running the cabling to the outer reaches of the parking lot. The ICE drivers don't even think about that. They think we are getting some undeserved bennie and park in the EV spots out of spite or stupidity.

jchangyy | 14. Januar 2013

They're just bunch of ASSHOLES.

Anthony H | 14. Januar 2013

"Path of least resistance."

I ALWAYS park away from other cars (no door dings!) and walk the few extra steps.
Tesla should position recharging spots so they are NOT easy, or attractive to the general masses.
Heck, put them in a freakin empty lot -- I'll take a nap or surf the web while recharging at a supercharger location.

(Or, just walk a few extra steps.)

GoTeslaChicago | 14. Januar 2013

+1 Anthony

I posted on a previous thread which seems to have disappeared, the idea of printing up warning notices, that can be stuck to the windshield of offending cars with a text as follows:


You have parked in an Electric Vehicle Charging and/or Parking Space.

The Electric Vehicle Charging Parking Space is for electric vehicles only.

A non-electric vehicle which parks here makes charging impossible for an electric vehicle owner
who might need to charge in order to get home. Please be considerate.

Because electric vehicle charging stations are new, you are not being ticketed or towed at this time.
However, your license plate has been noted by the management and future violations will result
in the offending car being ticketed and/or towed at the car owners expense.


The Management

Or alternatively:

Electric Vehicle Charging & Parking Police

Epley | 14. Januar 2013

I like the blink notices, but I like GoTeslaChicago's wording better.

portia | 14. Januar 2013

Also people may not realize the spaces for EV cars are not PARKING spaces, they are CHARGING stations, so the equivalent would be for an EV car to block a gas station pump. It is not a parking space!


Brian H | 15. Januar 2013

Spikes, or just irregularly spaced concrete bumps, poking up thru the pavement, which withdraw only when an attendant verifies an EV wants the spot and pushes a button, or the EV driver taps an access point with his charging charge card.

spaterson76 | 15. Januar 2013

When you see this happen, in addition to informing the person in some friendly but educational way, would you snap a picture & perhaps post in on a location specific blog or forum? Be nice to keep a list of offenders. We could see if there are repeat offenders.

TonyF | 15. Januar 2013

Park directly behind them (e.g. box them in). Put your flashers on. Stay in your car while you wait for them to return. When they return get out and walk toward the rest area building. They will ask you what you are doing and to please come back and move your car. Very nicely say that you will be back in just a minute - but you have to use the rest room and you don't want any other cars pulling into the electric charging spot. Nicely say, you will be right back. Go into the building and make them wait. They will get the gist of it.

Velo1 | 15. Januar 2013

Actually, I completely agree with some posters that charging spots should be in "less desirable" spots to (1) keep EV cars relatively safe from accidental or intentional scratches, and (2) help ensure ICE cars don't grab them for whatever reason. If I don't need a charge, then I most likely will park out along the perimeter anyway, just to keep the car safe from door dings and to get a little exercise walking into the place of interest.

Not sure how we can help make this happen; however, I do plan to at least talk to the owners of a few of the local parking lots I frequent when out and about town (malls, restaurants, etc.).

jchangyy | 15. Januar 2013

@TonyF, I"d be afraid that they may hit my car....

hsadler | 15. Januar 2013

Or "I pulled in behind you to be next to charge, but now I can't move - my battery has run out! "

bobinfla | 15. Januar 2013

I love it!!

Only real solution is for Tesla to have the supercharging spots be in the less desirable parking locations. For one thing, we're gonna have a half hour or so to kill, so we've got time to walk an extra bit. For another, why create an unwinnable fight. People will park in handicapped spaces, they sure won't leave the spot open for those "rich people's cars." You don't spit into the wind

TonyF | 15. Januar 2013

@hsadler - good one.

Actually I agree with all who say just place the chargers in a less desireable parking area since that is where we would likely park to protect our car from dings and scratches anyway. The question becomes: Is the electrical infrastructure sufficiently close such that it doesn't cost Tesla much more to run 440V lines an extra 200 yards or whatever? Ditto solar panels. As at the Milford rest area, solar panels were placed on the rain shelter roof of the gas pump area. If too far away, would Tesla still do that?

DaveR75 | 15. Januar 2013

I had the same problem at the Long Beach aquarium this weekend...6 identified EV parking spots all with ICE vehicles in an older Ford F150!! I spoke with the garage manager who said he'd call security..but turns out the only repercussion is a courtesy warning note! I think as the EV community grows, this will get better. For years these premium slots have gone unused and some people have gotten used to parking in them. I think we just need to keep bringing it to the garage management's attention..eventually they'll realize there is new and growing demand, and start enforcing the rules.

JimmyN | 15. Januar 2013

A little off topic, but same frustration – What happens when a plug in (Prius) parks in an EV spot, does the motion to plug the car in – but doesn’t: 1) turn the charger on; and 2) didn’t plug it in all the way?

I watched a couple walk into the mall and thought to myself, darn – I just missed the charger and settled for the 110v. Then I realized their charger wasn’t on – I thought “Mother f***** - they parked there for the spot! Nah – they have the cable to the car and everything, maybe I’ll be nice and push the ON button for them… wait… why isn’t it turning on? It’s not plugged in all the way?! Mother f*****!”

Do you be “that guy” that unplugs another car to plug yours in? Or give them the benefit of the doubt that they simply don’t know how to use their car…?

Timo | 15. Januar 2013

I wish we would have "hypercharger" that extends two sharp poles in holes below BEV (one for positive and one for negative potential) conveniently placed where ICE car has gas tank. Use SpaceX falcon docking computers for placement.

If you have BEV you get charged fast, if you park your ICE there you get your gas tank broken.

HansJ | 15. Januar 2013

If I paid for parking, only to find the EV spots ICE'd, I would at least ask for a refund on the cost of the parking. Perhaps a monetary incentive and hassle factor might get the parking management to pay more attention.

Cattledog | 15. Januar 2013

Hot Wheels used to call those the 'Jam' cars. Since Hot Wheels cars were electric, makes sense.

rwang | 15. Januar 2013

Harris Ranch has the same issue. One spot. Lots of folks park near the entrance.

What I've done is point out that I need to charge my car and they aren't using the spot. Most people are civil.

Vawlkus | 16. Januar 2013

I also agree with putting spots where they aren't as likely to get ICE'd.

I am also in favor of photos with plates showing for "name and shame".

tork | 16. Januar 2013

What if you get people that make it into a contest and see how many times they can get their picture taken on the "name and shame" website? lol. Some people just revel in being douches and having people react negatively gives them joy

jbunn | 16. Januar 2013

I don't understand why towing is such an issue. Many businesses have signs that say "Parking for xyz company, you will be towed..." Heck, the Tesla service center in Seattle has on in their lot. Absolutley no excuse to park in a Supercharger spot. None.

wbrown01 | 17. Januar 2013

This sign is located at the Delaware stop on I 95.

wbrown01 | 17. Januar 2013

Sorry but the pic did not paste. How do you get a pic into this tread anyway?