Just found this link.
The most interesting part of this article is the forthcoming update to the Roadster's battery pack allowing for 400 miles of range. That pack will probably also be compatible with supercharging, which should make a lot of Roadster owners very happy. The rest was a rehash of things we've already known, more or less.
I don't like the name "Model III".
Interesting - Gen 3 will be called the Model III and will be unveiled in 2016. Roadster owners can buy a new battery that will get 400 miles to the charge from the current battery's range of 245.
All pretty tired news except he'd hinted at exciting Roadster updates by the end of 2014. Wonder if that's true? Seemed like a logical thing if it's technically doable.
Why is the range target for the new Model III ONLY 200 miles? Must be an option to go for more at more$.
Minimum of 200. Of course, there will be an option for a bigger battery, along with a host of other goodies that are sure to keep the ASP at healthy levels. Why is this in the Model S forum? I started a post in the general forum prior to this, so... FIRST! :)
I've seen these pictures of the Model III before but at this moment, I can not locate where I saw them.
Tesla has never released any Model III pictures. They are just third-party guesses - often just a Model S made a little smaller using Photoshop.
I also thought this was interesting and cool:
It's most likely to be based on an all-new platform rather than a cut-down version of the one underpinning the Model S and Model X. The new technology will be the brainchild of Tesla’s British engineering chief Chris Porritt, who used to work with Aston Martin.
The pictures are Model S, not Model III.
400 miles for the Roadster that means 85 kWh battery.
Yep, the article says..."our image shows how it could look".
Model III (three) looks and sounds good to me .. Good choice I think .
Did not expect this name though nor other suggestions I've seen.
Maybe starting base range of three hundred miles would sound just right as well... Imo
"eddiemoy | JUNE 12, 2014
elon mention they will do something cool for the roasters. i think providing them an upgraded battery pack even if they have to pay for it would be really cool!
imagine if they get the 85kw, they would close to 400mile per charge instead of the 245 and they would also get more power if they replace the inverter!
not sure if they can manage to put more power to the ground though and get it to do anything less than 3.7sec, that might be the limit for two wheel road tires???"
by the way, i think they should take the "E" from their tesla logo and use it to represent "3", so basically III turned 90 degrees. This would tie right into their logo scheme and they can still have that "S" "E" "X"
i made a mock up of it on the tesla facebook page:
Gen III was supposed to be a new platform for several vehicles, much like the Model S and X share a platform.
I think the Roadster owners would be very happy with Roadster chargers at Supercharging stations.
Tesla is using an Arabic 3, not the Roman numeral on their FB page.
Could use capital sigma - Ʃ. It sort of looks like an E. Models S Ʃ X.
You don't think they'll go all the way and make the Roadsters SC compatible?
I 2nd @TonyR63
It would "sum up" the first part of Tesla's journey
@BH - I'm sure the Roadster owners would love an adapter but I don't think they can handle the juice. IIRC, they don't do DC.
bighorn, making the new pack supercharger ready would require the big ass relay and more stuff to be swapped out on the car. i think upgrading the pack with newer higher capacity cell as we have in the model s would be where they stop... hope im wrong and they go the extra mile and enable supercharging and up the inverter! again, i wonder if the roadster can get 2.7sec to 60mph? probably not on two wheel drive.
I hope they stylize it as the Tesla 'E' rotated 90 degrees to make the III. Then they'll still have the Model E combo...
Take a look at the Tesla Motors logo.
See how the letter 'E' is made?
That same symbol can also represent the numeral '3'.
That will do just fine. Tesla can still call the car 'Model 3', while using an emblem that all enthusiasts identify as 'E'. Ingenious.
@BH - I found a 2007 Tesla Blog by Elon that refers to the cars as model 1, model 2 and model 3. Not sure where I saw GEN III. Probably TMC.
Prolly shoulda used something like this instead:
Sigma symbol sounds super cool ...
However , may pose a problem for the "un-initiated" bystander , figuring out what kind of tesla he/she just saw.
Keeping the model name simple can go a long way to market branding. esp. this is gonna be The mass market car for TM.
Great work, Eddie. Not sure if that would inspire a lawsuit from Ford. But they can certainly do an E mirror image.
I think there are already vehicles that use Sigma... There was a thread about this in the General forum where it was mentioned. :-(
I rather like Epsilon myself, but I am very pleased with the play on words & symbols that Elon chose instead.
Poor BMW 3 Series already looks old and in adult diapers, and Tesla tres hasn't even been drawn up yet.
I have long thought that any range less than that of the Model S is not really marketable in a new version.
The standard has been set, and the "mass market" is not going to accept anything less. Whether that means a delay in production until a technological breakthrough in batteries is available, or a completely new design which can accommodate at least as powerful a battery as we have now, I cannot see a successful launch of a new car with a shorter range. Range is absolutely paramount in convincing large numbers of buyers to switch to electric.
@procarl - there is an old study of market potential vs practical range... it goes like this
100 miles range - 4% potential buyers
150 miles range - 40% potential buyers
200 miles range - 70% potential buyers
300 miles range - 96% potential buyers
Yes, 350+ miles EPA is the holy grail, but even 200 practical miles ( like the MS85 ) has a substantial market.
Compliance cars with less then 100 miles range cater only to a very small market.
3 horizontal bars for the 3, like the E in the TESLA logo.
Thanks for pointing that out, guys.
We need to look at the Model III strategically. First, it shows us where the Leaf and i3 have missed the mark. Even those who want a "city car", want the ability to go out of town and those cars can't do it. I've watched the Supercharger network grow with new SCs popping up in places which would allow a 200 mile range car to travel the open road.
At $35k and 200 mile range, this would be a Leaf and i3 killer. There would be no point in paying a lot more to have much shorter range. I am sure Tesla will offer SC capability as an option as they do on the S60 for those who just don't need or want it. Another $2k would open up the road for buyers of this car.
The numbers being presented show a sound strategy going into place which other car companies just can't get their heads around at this point.
It's funny that we have so many threads about the next Model S killer. In fact the first fatal blow of existing EVs will be struck by Tesla model |||. Long live the Model S. Volt, i3 and LEAF RIP.
There is no reason to buy a BMW 3 series when there is the $35K, 200 mile range MIII. Figure in the gas saving over ten years ownership you essentially get a better car for free. There is little reason to not to upgrade from Accord or Camry either.
@Eddie got the right idea. Three horizontal lines also means 3 in Chinese.
Rotate the numeric 3 by 180 degrees may also work. S3X
Reverse cowgirl anyone?
@Mathew Bamboo VIII?
It's an MIII and if you slant the III you'll see what's in Tesla's bulls eye.
That's great news for Roadster owners. Any idea what the cost of the 400 mile battery pack would be?
'Any idea what the cost of the 400 mile battery pack would be?'
Sure - if they do a battery swap, it'll cost the equivalent of a gas fill up.
@procarl | JULY 15, 2014 wrote:
"I have long thought that any range less than that of the Model S is not really marketable in a new version."
... "Range is absolutely paramount in convincing large numbers of buyers to switch to electric."
@hsadler: Actually I meant to replace the existing battery pack and buy outright the new 400 mile battery pack.
I bet one day in the distant future Model S vehicles can also be upgraded this way to a higher capacity battery in 10 or so years when the battery packs might be due for replacement. This would really help with the resale value of Model S vehicles, especially if the drive unit proves to be durable.
@JT - Bamboo8 has been MIAfor about a year now. I heard he was eaten alive in one setting by a raving mad panda aka da wife.
She knew what he did last summer...
@Mathew98 He's gone from poster to anecdote to legend. So long Bamboo8, we hardly knew ya.
I am beginning to think that for Model III to take strong hold of the average buyer market, a vastly increased supercharger network will be necessary.
My sister is an intelligent doctor; she just graduated from medical school and bought a car. I presumed that having heard my whole extensive explanation of how EVs are simpler, cheaper to operate, and nicer than a gas car, that she would buy a Volt (which I have) or some other EV. But no, she bought a Nissan Rogue.
I nearly died when I found out. She said, "Well, there just aren't any charging stations [in my town]." (She lives in a single-family house). I reiterated that she could plug into the wall at home; that the Volt has been recently rated as the most reliable compact car on the road, etc.
She didn't buy it.
For Model III to take off, the average person needs to see chargers all over. Metro Chargers are absolutely needed.
+1 eddiemoy, I had the same thought, but not the same graphics skills.
@WEB_SRFR I see no reason why the drive unit can not be made durable. Electrical motor and the one gear transmission do not have all the moving parts to wear out like ICE. Besides it will be very simple to repair/rebuild if needs to be. It's the common parts like suspension, steering system or even the window/door machanism that we might need to pay attention to but those are not big cost items.
Here's my rendition:
Tesla Model Three
And... a little smaller:
Did Elon say whether the three lines will be vertical? He may very well be intending to do exactly what you guys are suggesting -- horizontal three lines.
If not, I hope he hears about this idea and likes it. I think it's brilliant. The sigma idea was great too, but the name Model III has been selected.
"3" equals "E" in 1337. Do you speak 1337?
Elon said before that there still be connection with "S E X".
So it is 3