Tm has this informaton, but I think it would be interesting to develop a snap shot of where Model S' are being sold and will call "home". I'll start:
Headed for Fraser, MI
I’m tempted to move my reservation to a Sig however I’m currently on the fence. I wish I had a better understanding as to what the “extra” cost actually gets you. I don’t really need the 300 mile range (230 is sufficient) and even though Signature Red is gorgeous, I haven’t justified the expected extra cash. Hopefully they’ll trickle some more tid-bits in the near future to help me decide. I know time is running out to make a decision.
Yeah, except for the "Performance" package, I could get by with 230 easily. But since I DO want the Sport, I figured, might as well go for the Sig. You know, in for a penny...
You can always decide not to take the Sig once pricing is announced, even after the money for the Sig is sent. Once the list is full, though..
Tesla won't say where you'll end up on the list if you revert. And with a low number like 3408, Alan would want to be sure he wants a Sig before signing up. Unless he can get an answer from Tesla that he'd be able to get the same number if he reverted.
So the solution is to keep the P# and add an S# and cancel one when he decides! I wonder how many are already doing that ...
Many, I guess. That will make for quite a few drop-outs once final pricing is announced.
@Alan Askew - I also live in Michigan. I am Signature S249. I plan on getting the Sport version. If you'd like to go for a ride when I receive mine on July 1st :-) (I know, wishful thinking), send me a private message through www.teslamotorsclub.com
I never really thought about the fact that if I switch reservations I’d lose my original place in line. Hmmm… that changes thing’s for sure. The idea of reserving 2 is intriguing, only because they’re willing to refund the unused money. What I don’t like about that is holding a spot in line that someone else could have. There are a lot of curious buyers out there that are on the fence right now. Some of the individuals I know aren’t considering it because at this stage it would “appear” that you won’t get a vehicle until LATE 2012 if not 2013. That turns some off. I remember last April preaching to them how great it would be. Most laughed. Fast forward to the October event and EVERYONE is praising the car. Now they want to purchase one and cruise around next summer. Surprise, surprise… odds are against that happening.
@michiganmodels – That would be without a doubt one of the highlights of the summer for me. I’ll take note of this and contact you as it gets closer to the time of delivery. Having even a moment of “real world” exposure to the Model S will probably make the time go by a little easier.
@Alan:at this stage it would “appear” that you won’t get a vehicle until LATE 2012 if not 2013. That turns some off.
It's more than appearances; Tesla itself has made clear that 2012 production is sold out, unless you're getting a Sig. My bet would be that reserving today won't get you a car until April 2013 or later.
Is this a reason not to reserve? To the contrary; the sooner reserve, the sooner they deliver. It's a big time gap, but there's no guarantee that the gap will get smaller by waiting, while it is guaranteed that someone's delivery date will be later.
It's more than appearances; Tesla itself has made clear that 2012 production is sold out, unless you're getting a Sig. (Robert.Boston)
Robert, neither us nor Tesla can possibly know how many drop-outs there will be when the time comes to close the deal. Surprises are possible both way, but if we assume that a considerable number of reservation holders reserved a Sig and a P, those are guaranteed to drop out the moment they finally decide for either one. That's what Alan refers to by "the Model S *appears* to be sold out".
I remember last April preaching to them how great it would be. Most laughed. Fast forward to the October event and EVERYONE is praising the car. Now they want to purchase one and cruise around next summer. Surprise, surprise… odds are against that happening. (Alan Askew)
Alan, I have no compassion with your hesitating friends. Everybody forges his own destiny. Having that said, I completely agree with Robert: If someone thinks he's late to the game, he should reserve today rather than tomorrow. If he doesn't, well then, no compassion from me...
S 860 Phoenix, AZ
Signature #860?! That would be a tad more than 725.
@Richard30 - Is that correct, you are Signature 860? If so, what date did you receive your reservation?
And in Phoenix. There will be three in the valley of the sun now.
Sig #101, Ithaca, NY
Pleased to see a Rochester and a Cazenovia. :-) I expected nobody else from upstate!
I actually expect to see quite a few upstate NYers once our cars are on the road. I think we have decent demographics to match up with Tesla's target audience, but I think they won't be aware of the car yet due to the lack of marketing. Hopefully it goes viral.
I know what you mean, Leofingal. Ithaca in particular is loaded with well-to-do environmentalists... who are car-dependent because we lost all our train service long ago. And because of Ithaca's location they mostly need far more range than the Leaf.
I think I'm likely to get the first, but there will probably be *dozens* within a couple of years.
@ Larry Chanin. Enlighten me, where is Bump?
"Bump" is a posting trick, a new reply just to move a thread to the top of a listing when it has faded into the oldie von moldie idle threads.
Canada Sig #2
Salt Spring Island, BC
Garaged next to Roadster #905 :-)
Leawood, KS/Kansas City
Baltimore on the weekends and NJ/NYC during the week...Sig 737.
Sig #76, Short Hills, NJ
A friendly reminder that I'm tracking these graphically here:http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=295135
Feel free to add yourself to the map. Please use your reservation number (e.g. S73, P1666, S35 (EU)) as the "name".
Forgot my P# in my previous post, sorry: #2993 Oahu, Hawaii
P3838, Issaquah, WA
P3623, Sunnyvale, CA
Marin County CA Sig 831
What Brian said. Like what I doing now. ;-)
Sig 729, Chagrin Falls, OH
Hey Robert.Boston, I'm the General production reservation in Eugene, OR. (P5647) I've upgraded to S949.
Woohoo, go Eugene, my home town (though I've been in Beaverton for 20 years now).
phb, you are upgraded on http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=295135 !
I'm hoping that S931 will be in Madison, CT EARLY next summer. I'm glad to read that there are four others from CT. Mike_ModelS_P457,Martin@malins, CarlE_P439, JohnQ we'll have to make arrangements to get together this summer.
When do you think S931 will be available?
Some time between June and October. :-)
Since we're guessing, I'll guess about Labor Day. Tesla's sticking to the "deliveries start no later than July" line; even if, optimistically, they start on July 1, I think that early production will be at a slower rate than the ultimate rate, likely kicking out ~400 units in July and ~600 units in August.
Yeah, I have this image of Elon driving 20 Signatures per workday in June. ;-)
A reminder: please post your location here:http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=295135
Use red for Signature reservations, and purple for standard.
P # 665 (EU) will reside in Kinrooi, Belgium.
Why is there such a high density of Model S reservations in Belgium & the Netherlands, compared to neighboring Germany and France?
I'm guessing different car taxes. Like Norway vs Finland. EV costs around 30-40% more in Finland than it costs in Norway.
I guess a lot has to do with the tax incentives you get both in Belgium and the Netherlands. France nevertheless has a very interesting incentive as well, so why they don't have more reservations escapes me. Maybe it is just a matter of less members on this forum or less people willing to post their reservation and location.
Perhaps most people in France cannot read English. French IS their mother tongue. TM will also need a French website for Quebec because about 75% of Quebecers do not speak or read English.
S#945 here, Saratoga CA.
As EU HQ, Belgium is rolling in OPM. And the EU 'crats and employees have non-revokable lifetime employment contracts (jk! sort of).
Also, both countries are tiny compared even to the other little EU nations, so range anxiety is a non-issue.
Why is there such a high density of Model S reservations in Belgium & the Netherlands, compared to neighboring Germany and France? (Robert.Boston)
I've been pondering the same thought... I agree that taxes and incentives are a big deal compensating the general skepticism against EVs, and there are practically none in Germany (vehicle tax is waived for 10 years, but the 19% VAT are a real hit at purchase time).
In Germany, there's a considerable fraction of car buyers who don't give a thought about buying any non-German car make, and particularly American cars do not have a lot of a positive reputation over here. Given the choice of renowned German car makes, particularly in the premium segment, this attitude should come as no surprise. If anything, Germans consider French (economical, very comfy, lots of options as standard), Swedish (safety, exclusivity) or Japanese (economical/high-mpg, versatile, reliable) cars. To the average German, the mere fact that the big German players have nothing to offer in the plug-in segment is proof enough that the time is not right for this concept! (Although, the Prius sells pretty darn well, we have a sizable population of lohas here.)
The big German players themselves admittedly have highly sophisticated, very advanced ICEs. It's no wonder they want to milk that technology -- first, they are heavily invested into high-tech engines and sales must pay for R&D. Second, it's an important aspect of their competitive advantage in the global market. Switching to a different technology will render that advantage obsolete. In the end, the shift will take place with or without them, but it is very understandable that they ignore the trend to plug-in as long as possible (whether it will be too late eventually remains to be seen).
And here the argument feeds back into itself: German economic politics are vastly driven by the car manufacturers' lobby (you know, employment and all this stuff). You bet there will be no serious incentives for plug-in until and unless there are German plug-ins available on the market!
Sig 173 - Memphis, TN