To melt away the Arctic ice, it will take a lot more than 274 deg. K!
See the 2019 summertime temperatures north of 80 deg. North latitude? Same as the 1958-2002 mean!
You don't need an area calculation andy. Just eyeball it and you can see the Arctic is where most of the global warming has occurred.
The global warmunists are claiming the multi-decadal warming cycle will melt the Arctic ice away to oblivion. It will melt the ice some, but that's it.
Ok so the impact of the temperature increase is that it will melt the ice. Is it melting?
It was. During the past 13 years it has been standing still.
Hey Mitch. Have you thought about what climate change may do to COVID 19. This should keep you busy for a while
In this case SCCRENDO, don't you want the earth to warm?
I am not sure but if temps get too high it may decrease the incidence of COVID. But sadly many other disease increase and spread north such as ZIKA. It’s best to deal with the devil you know than to create new devils
I watched a Science Channel special tonight on COVID-19. They said this new devil is far deadlier than the SARS and H1N1 outbreaks.
You're still not understanding something here. You are thinking 2-dimensionally. You're missing the most important piece of your argument, which is the 3rd dimension. Volume. Surface area is insignificant.
If you look at the volume of the arctic ice, its going down. Total ice decreasing.http://polarportal.dk/fileadmin/polarportal/sea/CICE_curve_thick_LA_EN_2...
The argument you're making, is like saying that because there is an inch of snow over a larger surface area there is more snow falling when last year, the snowfall was half the surface area, but 4x the depth. In total, there is a loss of snowfall.
SCCRENDO, are the younger doctors the ones thrown into the front lines against the superbug? After all, they are less at risk from dying if they contract the disease. I would think that we would really be in bad shape if you were called up for COVID-19 duty.
Volume is low now andy. And the ice has been thin in the past. Have a look at the USS Skate at the North Pole.
I think we are trying to get the physicians with the expertise into the field. I think at risk physicians may have the option of opting out. I don’t think they are singling out old farts. Most of my stuff is non urgent of stuff that can wait. My nurse practitioner is in the office seeing patients through telegraphy and per telephone and is in full time contact with me
No mitch. You look at ice volume here. Its literally going down.
Well that's good. You can communicate with doctors and nurses about COVID cases, but you don't need to be in direct contact with them.
No andy, you look beyond 2004-2020:
The Admiralty was notified of sources of Arctic Warmth, opening up the Arctic Ocean to advancement of science and commerce with other nations back in 1817!
So andy, it is the strength of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) that determines Arctic ice thickness. The stronger the NAO (low pressure over Iceland, high pressure over the Azores), the stronger the flow of the North Atlantic ocean currents into the Arctic ocean via the Fram Strait. A faster than normal Arctic ocean current melts the Arctic ice underneath, thus decreasing its volume. A weak NAO allows the Arctic ice thickness to increase. It has nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.
Cool link. No mention of ice volume. Only surface area and temperature. You are just literally intentionally ignoring what you dont want to address.
andy, ice thickness implies volume. Check "Why is the ice thinner" in the cool link.
what the heck do you need to "imply" volume when the numbers are in the graph i linked twice.
andy, "Why is the ice thinner" explains why the Arctic ice volume is below the recent average.
Did you consider the ice cube experiment? Use cold tap water. Fill a glass with tap water and put an ice cube in it. Take an ice cube and put it on a sieve. Run the same cold temperature tap water over the ice cube. See which ice cube melts first? The ice cube with the flowing tap water melts first. The same principle applies to Arctic ocean currents. A static Arctic ocean allows the ice to expand and thicken. A dynamic Arctic ocean diminishes the Arctic ice.
Is there some sort of a problem with looking at the graph i provided and simply accepting the bold black line fact that 2020 is lower than every preceding year?
Is there some sort of problem with the idea that a positive NAO increases Arctic Ocean currents, thus decreasing the Arctic ice volume andy?
See how the NAO was positive from the 1930s-1950s? The Arctic warmed during that period, and the sea ice thinned. From the mid 1960s through the mid 1990s, the NAO was negative, and this allowed for the Arctic ice to expand and thicken. The NAO switched to positive afterwards, melting the ice volume.
When the NAO goes negative again, any ideas what will happen to the Arctic ice volume then?
Note - the chart is the AMO - Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.
The AMO index is figured from sea surface temperatures which has some correlation to the NAO index seen in The Top of the World link.
Interesting story about Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. John Christy. I think most of you would be surprised Christy was a student of big-time human-caused global warming alarmist Dr. Kevin Trenberth. They give some insights to Dr. Jim Hansen"s 1988 congressional testimony that launched the global warming scare. Then, in 1990 Spencer and Christy gave testimony for Al Gore's Senate panel.
Lots and lots of snow in the Northern Hemisphere. Way above average as well as the standard deviation.
The idea that snow and ice is melting away to oblivion is basically an abstract thought in some global warming worshipper's head!
Central Arctic still frozen solid compared to the previous four years.
I just don't see the polar ice melting away to oblivion like the hysterical ones say it is.
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Northern Hemispheric average snow cover holding steady at 25,000,000 km^2 since 1972.
The snow and ice of the earth is not melting away to oblivion like some hysterical ones think it is.
Arctic sea ice extent slightly below normal;
Antarctic sea ice extent normal:
While the Wuhan virus thing is going on, climate does its natural thing, with or without humans.
What, no flag jimmy flaggie boy?
derp derp derp
What's the matter jimmy flaggie boy? You and your sour pus gang of global warming zealots upset that the climate is not cooperating with your demands? Looking up at the sky, shaking your fists and screaming, "MELT DAMMIT MELT" isn't going to work. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, and if I live long enough, decade after decade, I will be rubbing your global warming zealots' noses in the polar ice!
@Mitch. Are you bored trying to cure COVID
Chloroquine will stop the ice from melting. Not to worry.
I am still upset I was never invited to join the flag gang
SCCRENDO, I already told you I don't give a rat's ass about whether the doctors in the front line against COVID-19 use chloroquine or not. All I care about is that it should be in their medicine bag IF THEY WANT IT.
sabbia, nature will stop the ice from melting.
jimmy flaggie boy, you invited yourself.
but I never learned the secret knock and handshake (now an elbow bump I resume)
None required on this thread. This is a free speech zone. You can even do that goofy-ass derp thing of yours. But as you know, I tend to respond in kind.
Well, you kept my thread on page 1. So, your derpin' is actually serving a useful purpose.
NASA scientist saw a new ice age coming in the 1970s! Why? Because the climate got cold back then, that's why.
And what was the solution to this problem back in the early 1970s? Ban fossil fuel use!
I am laughing at you global warming zealots!
Hey MItch.How come you haven’t questioned how we handled swine flu in1917
Swine flu or Spanish flu SCCRENDO? And why should I ask?
More important and relevant than what we thought about climate change in 1970
Well, this is a climate thread focused on the Arctic. There is all kinds of COVID talk going on elsewhere.
I assure you. An ice age like the one we had a mere 20,000 years ago will kill many more humans by far than the worst pandemic you can imagine. Hopefully, the next glacial period is a few thousands years away, We should be technologically advanced enough by then to survive it.
Cor..few thousand years..
I think my anal temp went up today
rename the thread to Anal Temperature Data?