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What's the legal implication of a single screen? (if any)

What's the legal implication of a single screen? (if any)

Me and my partner have been talking a lot about this and can't seem to find any info on it. Would Tesla be running into any legal hindrances connected to releasing a car with no standard gauge indicating speed and other basic trip information right in front of the driver. I know everything is still speculation, but aren't there any laws that require that information to be displayed in the driver's immediate field of view and not the center console?
From Elon's statements so far I'm inclined to think there will be no HUD or any other display besides the main one. With that said, hiring a HUD specialist on his team is a little confusing, but that's a different story :)

EaglesPDX | 22. März 2017

They'll be a HUD or some display at the dashboard to meet US and EU legal requirements.

jefjes | 22. März 2017

I owned and drove daily a street legal hard-tail custom chopper motorcycle that only had a oil pressure gauge down on the engine. No other instruments of any kind on the bike. So I would say no problem with the single screen.

SoFlaModel3 | 22. März 2017

Didn't (or doesn't) the Mini Cooper have a center mounted speedometer?

dsvick | 22. März 2017

@Eagles - "They'll be a HUD or some display at the dashboard to meet US and EU legal requirements"

Which regulations, I'm not aware of any that would require anything more than we've already seen, although I haven't, by any means, put in much research into it. And, aren't there already cars out there with just center mounted information?

raharris | 22. März 2017

SoFlaModel3 | March 22, 2017
Didn't (or doesn't) the Mini Cooper have a center mounted speedometer?

Yep, as I recall.

KP in NPT | 22. März 2017

The mini dash is the link I posted above. ;)

M3 | 22. März 2017

From personal experience: old Jeeps (driven), current mini cars (wife owned one), and a Toyota Echo (rented a few years back) have a center speedometer.
Not really a big deal and I got used to it in a few minutes. I preferred the high and forward mounted Echo speedometer but liked nothing else about that car.
Takeaway: I don't think anyone will find a US law prohibiting a center speedometer.

Red Sage ca us | 22. März 2017

OP: Seriously?

Garyeop | 22. März 2017

See my post on s3 gear "watch". Short version...a small screen area can be made into many different dashboards. Just like the gear can display many watch faces.

stevenmaifert | 22. März 2017

The mini has a retractable HUD which I'm really hoping will be an option with the M3, if not standard: http://www.miniusa.com/content/dam/mini/models/clubman/CarryALL/SAFETY%2... I can get used to it, but I really don't like taking my eyes off the road to glance over at a center display, even when the speed is displayed in the upper left corner.

Octagondd | 22. März 2017

These are the federal Regulations in the US.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=ee986884e3004dcca8efaecbe9a142c...

Telltales (optical signal that, when illuminated, indicates the actuation of a device, a correct or improper functioning or condition, or a failure to function.) must be visible to the driver in varying light conditions and while restrained with a seatbelt.

Octagondd | 22. März 2017

Sorry, a speedometer is an indicator, not a telltale, but the same applies.

S5.1.2 The telltales and indicators listed in Table 1 and Table 2 and their identification must be located so that, when activated, they are visible to a driver under the conditions of S5.6.1 and S5.6.2.

Octagondd | 22. März 2017

I would suggest that everyone do a little experiment, under safe conditions, where they place their right hand (Left hand drivers) on the steering wheel at the 2 o'clock position, then glance just above and to the right of it and notice what you can see in your peripheral vision. Then, do the same, but glance at your speedometer and gauge the difference from what you are used to. Some vehicles like certain models of Prius I think, have the speedometer right underneath the front glass probably have the best peripheral view of the road while looking at the speedometer. I know in my Chevy Spark, it is a bit better to look over my right hand than to look at the speedometer on my dash.

dsvick | 22. März 2017

"S5.1.2 The telltales and indicators listed in Table 1 and Table 2 and their identification must be located so that, when activated, they are visible to a driver under the conditions of S5.6.1 and S5.6.2."

If that is the extent of the regulations then having everything on the center screen would conform just fine.

Haggy | 24. März 2017

That's not the extent of the regulations, but those were the only relevant sections I was ever able to find on the topic.

There's also the matter of what NHTSA will consider acceptable. Tesla made a point of having visual indicators for autopilot including clearly visible warnings as well as prompts for the driver to take over, and all this was cited in the accident investigation for the fatality in Florida. They made a point of letting NHTSA know that they felt it was enough to make the car safer. I can't see them not having visible warnings directly where the driver would see them without looking to the side.

carlk | 24. März 2017

"Would Tesla be running into any legal hindrances connected to releasing a car with no standard gauge indicating speed and other basic trip information right in front of the driver."

No. Otherwise Prius would have the same legal issue since it does not have a behind steering wheel display either.

derek.philip | 24. März 2017

I think a big difference between what is in the prototype Model 3 and the Mini is that the Mini has a prominant speedometer in the centre of the dash, it doesn't have maps or whats playing on the audio etc.....

derek.philip | 24. März 2017

..... at it is a large analouge dial at that.

kaffine | 24. März 2017

Who is looking at their speedometers that often? If I'm on the open road I look at it and set cruise control and don't look at it again until the speed limit changes. If I am in town I keep up with traffic and don't car what speed I am going.

KP in NPT | 24. März 2017

I keep seeing everyone referring to speedos. I have to think everyone who says that does not currently drive a Tesla and does not have AP1. There is a lot of info relating to AP that is on the screen in front - if there is no HUD, where will that sensor info be?

kaffine | 24. März 2017

@KP good point. I haven't driven a Tesla with AP. Finally something I could see HUD being useful for.

Haggy | 27. März 2017

Out of all the information displayed in front, I wouldn't say the speedometer is the least valuable, but with TACC and the ability to have the car chime if I exceed the speed limit by a certain amount, I don't have to look at the speed limit regularly. If traffic is slowing down and I'm considering a lane change, then speed might be relevant.

Knowing that the car sees the car in front of me is more relevant, especially if I want to know if the car is likely to stop because of it.

Magic 8 Ball | 27. März 2017

I don't think Tesla knows what they are doing and they are sure to violate many legal requirements in the design (insert eye roll here).

pavel | 27. März 2017

I don't think the speed is the most vital information in this case, but like KP said - there is a ton of information about the radars, the proximity to objects, the lanes in AP, your energy use, etc. Where is all of this going to be? I have to look at the center screen for all of this ? I don't know how I feel about that and frankly for the first time in forever am very disappointed in the recent information that was confirmed. I am not so set on spending upwards of 45k on a handicapped version of a Model S. I did not expect all the bells and whistles, but I think a simple display in front of me was a corner that did not need to be cut.