2170 voltage?

2170 voltage?

Can anyone tell me if the new 2170 cells have the same voltage as the 18650? Will these cells be available to purchase in bulk for the DIY industry?

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The DIY industry will benefit from these batteries as well. There are many more countless job opportunities for so many more people that hasn't even been thought of yet. A robust ,abundant, affordable and available supply of these batteries is the KEY to fixing the WORLD!

Frank99 | 08. Juli 2017

The voltage is set by the chemistry, which for a single-cell LiIon battery is nominally 3.6V.

Dramsey | 09. Juli 2017

“A robust ,abundant, affordable and available supply of these batteries is the KEY to fixing the WORLD!”

LiIon batteries are very widely available; everywhere from your local drug store’s battery rack to Amazon. You can buy all the LiIon batteries you need right now, today, for any conceivable project from hundreds of suppliers.

The 2170 cell’s size has been designed to fit into Tesla’s future vehicle designs.

And...not to be picky or anything...but if you don’t know that battery voltage is set by cell chemistry (the oxidation-reduction potential), you need to learn a LOT more before starting on any ambitious DIY battery powered projects.

Nexxus | 10. Juli 2017

Every battery they make is spoken for, for the Model ≡, the Powerwalls, and the Powerpacks they produce. There will be none for the DIY for years to come. | 10. Juli 2017

As @Frank99 says, the nominal discharge voltage is 3.6 volts and the charging voltage is 4.2 volts max. | 10. Juli 2017

I should point out that Tesla has not published these numbers. They are estimates based on the information that the change in chemistry for the 2170 from the 18650 design is modest to increase efficiency by maybe 10% according to J. B. Straubel. Less certain are the maximum charging and discharge currents per cell 4 amps and about 20 amps, resp. for the 18650) Guessing that these numbers will be up to about 50% more for the 2170.

stevo | 12. Juli 2017

Dramsey... I'm well aware of that fact. But I read somewhere that the new 2170 is a new chemistry and thought maybe the voltage had increased. Right now I am utilizing 11 Nissan Leaf modules in my motorcycle conversion and it works fantastic for commuting my 10 mile roundtrip to work and home. But it is a work in progress and it will improve every few years as technology advances. I believe the pouch cell manufacturers are going to give Tesla some real competition soon. The 18650 Tesla modules are just now hitting the market for DIY'ers, but they really don't add that much in performance to the Nissan Leaf modules that have been available for years now, other then shaving off some weight from the battery pack. | 12. Juli 2017

It will be interesting if the pouch technology will have long term reliability in the harsh automotive environment. One reason Tesla got the cost of it's batteries so low is using cell size that is produced in the billions for other products. Seems like every other EV uses a custom cell design that never gets the manufacturing volumes necessary for the lowest cost. Other than Tesla, I'm not sure there are two EVs today that use the same cells, but I'm likely wrong on that.