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1 Year Later Why Is Hyperloop Still A Fantasy? A Comprehensive Hyperloop DB

1 Year Later Why Is Hyperloop Still A Fantasy? A Comprehensive Hyperloop DB

I came across this article recently http://www.cnet.com/news/one-year-later-hyperloop-remains-fantasy/

I got involved on Hyperloop and was even offered a contract but I sensed an overall lack of focus on the project and since no milestone results came about, I decided to drop out and work on my own project - A comprehensive Hyperloop database to house schematics, reports, publications etc. As the article points out, a revised white paper was created in March '14 but has yet to be published....

In other news, SpaceX has since claimed the domain name Hyperloop.com, so perhaps an indication of some future involvement on their end...

Grinnin'.VA | 19. August 2014

I expect that not all of Elon's dreams will come true.
After all, he is just a brilliant, bold innovator, with no supernatural powers.

jonlivesay | 19. August 2014

Fantasy? Remember when an electric car that looks great, performs well and has great range was just a fantasy?

7thGate | 19. August 2014

I would assume this would be hard. Aside from the likely technical hurdles that would crop up, I think there are also issues with the possible business plan and regulatory environment for something like this. To get enough money to actually make a multi-billion dollar project possible, someone involved has to have the history to convince investors that they know what they're doing enough to be likely enough to succeed. Elon could do that, but he's too busy with his other two companies for now. Maybe another group will get there, but they'll probably need a working prototype and some impressive modeling to even really get started.

I kind of hope it happens. I'm not sure if it could really be made profitable, but it would be one of the coolest things ever and would probably be a massive tourist attraction for wherever it got placed.

Anemometer | 20. August 2014

LOL, Evemn a car conecpt takes a couple of years to get off the drawing board, and that doesn't need a whole new infrastructure to be built. I'm sure someone soemwhere it working on engineering "Stuff", maybe even buying up plots of land on the centre of the freeway every 100m. ;)

Timo | 20. August 2014

It's fantasy until someone builds it.

Like Anemometer says, building a hyperloop is not easy task. Even if the basic concept works there are bazillion teeny weeny details to consider and build. Thing moves several times speed of sound in a tube, at that speed you need to be pretty d*mn sure you didn't miss anything, otherwise passengers turn to heat and plasma if you hit something.

Brian H | 20. August 2014

It would cost less than 1/10 the approved hi-speed rail link. That was the stimulus for the idea.

jonlivesay | 20. August 2014

Timo, yeah but what a rush!

grega | 20. August 2014

I'm surprised that there's criticism that it hasn't progressed, and interpreted as a sign that the idea is bad. The idea is "out there", which is a good reason for people to be hesitant.

just an allusion | 20. August 2014

@blankenship

Like 7th Gate and Anemometer have each referred to, it takes time.

Also, I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but the peeps at Tesla Motors have their hands full at the moment, what with increasing the production of the Model S, initiating the stages for the production of the Model X, the roll out of the international expansion of their Model S, the expansion of the SuperCharger network, and ironing out the particulars for the preparations of the Giga-factory location...all at the same time...while the peeps at Space X have been developing a dramatically advanced propulsion system, devising and testing thrust vectoring technologies for interplanetary VTOL applications, retrofitting the Falcon 9 for it's next mission, and other such general awesomeness, all overseen by Tesla Motors and SpaceX CEO, Elon Musk.

Long story-short, they're REALLY busy at the moment, but if you find that you're unable to exercise a bit of patience and simply contain your exuberance to see this concept brought to reality for a while to allow the current operations to settle into some degree of a static state, I've heard that some people at this overnight startup, named "ET3", have expressed a desire to bring THEIR idea of this (Musk's) concept to fruition, perhaps you should give them a call?

Just a suggestion.

just an allusion | 20. August 2014

@blankenship

Like 7th Gate and Anemometer have each referred to, it takes time.

Also, I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but the peeps at Tesla Motors have their hands full at the moment, what with increasing the production of the Model S, initiating the stages for the production of the Model X, the roll out of the international expansion of their Model S, the expansion of the SuperCharger network, and ironing out the particulars for the preparations of the Giga-factory location...all at the same time...while the peeps at Space X have been developing a dramatically advanced propulsion system, devising and testing thrust vectoring technologies for interplanetary VTOL applications, retrofitting the Falcon 9 for it's next mission, and other such general awesomeness, all overseen by Tesla Motors and SpaceX CEO, Elon Musk.

Long story-short, they're REALLY busy at the moment, but if you find that you're unable to exercise a bit of patience and simply contain your exuberance to see this concept brought to reality for a while to allow the current operations to settle into some degree of a static state, I've heard that some people at this overnight startup, named "ET3", have expressed a desire to bring THEIR idea of this (Musk's) concept to fruition, perhaps you should give them a call?

Just a suggestion.

just an allusion | 20. August 2014

Ooops!

lph | 20. August 2014

There are not any codes yet written to handle things like earthquakes, high winds etc for something like this. For instance how much lateral acceleration can the Hyperloop take before causing life threatening failure in some way. The thing being so fast, cannot stop on a dime.

Being a structural engineering consultant I know that regulations for buildings and bridges are tough enough already. Now add to that fact, that there is an object hurtling along at many hundreds of miles per hour, with major dynamic forces exerted when going through curves etc. and you really have something to think about.

It will need some serious research, and development of design guidelines before installing an actual link for the public.

Not saying it can't or should not be done, because I think it should, and I would love to see it and ride in one. But it takes effort (and guess what money too) to do it right.

vgarbutt | 21. August 2014

I want to put this out there.

The hyperloop concept could be tested and proven safe by first building a test run and just using it for transporting freight, or mail etc. After a few years the tech bugs could be worked out for human trials and eventual adoption. Also for the impatient, don't forget how our systems work, like like molasas in the winter, slow and slower! Just our nature to fear the new and unknown.

1PARSEC | 21. August 2014

@justanallusion

I was actually addressing Hyperloop from the crowdsourcing aspect, which is what I was working on previously. To my knowledge, none of the fairly reasonable project milestones that had been set out at the beginning of the project had appeared to have been completed. To be clear, I wasn't referring to the ***actual*** Hyperloop being ready and functioning by the end of next year or even within twenty years....

I think that it was is fantastic that Elon is challenging the greater domain to work on Hyperloop. Elon isn't the only trailblazer on the planet and yes @justanallusion, his dance card is plenty full these days.....so I wouldn't anticipate that Tesla or SpaceX would work on Hyperloop too soon if at all. And, if they did, I believe that it'd only be on an advisory capacity. For instance, Dr. Marco Villa, formerly of SpaceX, is currently advising some Hyperloop companies.

Dialogues such as these is what really helps to get the ball rolling. And, I'm doing my own small bit by working on developing a Hyperloop Database.

And just by way of FYI @Justanallusion This is indeed still part of my overly elaborate and devious scheme to garner a position at TSLA/SPCX.

1PARSEC | 21. August 2014

Just for reflection about the impossibility of things......albeit from a more astral viewpoint....

"To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth—all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances." – Lee de Forest Inventor 1957

"I do not foresee 'spaceships' to the moon or Mars. Mortals must live and die on Earth or within its atmosphere!" – Lee de Forest Inventor 1952

"It's utter bilge. I don't think anybody will ever put up enough money to do such a thing . . . What good would it do us? If we spent the same amount of money on preparing first-class astronomical equipment we would learn much more about the universe . . . It is all rather rot" -- Sir Richard Woolley, Astronomer Royal -- Time Magazine 1956

Grinnin'.VA | 21. August 2014

@Brian H | AUGUST 20, 2014

"It would cost less than 1/10 the approved hi-speed rail link. That was the stimulus for the idea."

Until they have a working prototype, I think the costs estimates are mainly guesses.
We will see.

OTOH, I probably will not live long enough to see such a system operating.

Ron :)

Haeze | 21. August 2014

@lph
The whitepaper that Elon released into the wild last year had all of those details to include earthquake resistance, and max speed around different radii curves.

You should probably download that PDF and read through it.

just an allusion | 22. August 2014

@blankenship.annm

"And just by way of FYI @Justanallusion This is indeed still part of my overly elaborate and devious scheme to garner a position at TSLA/SPCX."

And there it is...!

Good luck in your efforts, though might I suggest you acquire some aerospace/electrical/physics education to better your odds?

1PARSEC | 23. August 2014

Hyperloop journey from southern California to the Bay Area via Simulink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1csKKXuBrU

grega | 23. August 2014

Thanks blankenship :)