Do you go to bed with your iPhone at 30% charge and NOT plug it in? NYT article = bad piece of journalism.

Do you go to bed with your iPhone at 30% charge and NOT plug it in? NYT article = bad piece of journalism.

In my opinion, this article was a hatchet job and failed to take into account the authors own mistakes. It was 10 degrees F overnight (-12 C). He knows already that the cold has taken range away. He says in the article "no charger available". No 110v outlet anywhere? Why didn't he charge up completely in NY? Untrue and blatantly deceptive. Many people have to plug their ICE cars overnight to keep the block warm in extreme temperatures.

Does anyone go to bed with their iPhone, iPad, whatever, at 30% charge and expect it to last the whole next day?

I think the NYT should add a caveat to the article and point out these points.

DanD | 11. Februar 2013

I don't know I'm suffering through this right now as my car is parked in the Philly Airport garage. Had no idea the effect cold would take.

there is no documentation about his and no instrumentation to help.

I doubt my 60kWh car could make it from Newark to Milford in the cold.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

If you left your iPhone (at 30%) sitting at home not plugged in, would you expect it to be charged when you got home?

GoTeslaChicago | 11. Februar 2013

Why are we starting a new thread on the NY Times article when there already is a thread?

shop | 11. Februar 2013

An electric car is different froman ICE car in both good and bad ways. People need to be educated that you should always plug in your car at night. I would have thought it to be obvious but apparently not.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Why not? I felt that the prior thread didn't express the stupidity of the article accurately so I started another one. Is that ok? Have a broken a rule?

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Oh, as stated before, Elon Musk has responded plus he says that the blog will soon detail what actually happened.

Docrob | 11. Februar 2013

DanD, the manual states multiple times that the car loses charge gradually whilst parked and that it is faster in cold weather. It also clearly recommends strongly that if the car is to be left for a prolonged period it should ALWAYS be left plugged in to prevent damage to the battery. Saying there is no documentation about this is nothing but a bald faced lie.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

@ Docrob - Yeah!
I don't understand this thinking: "I have a battery powered device. It's 70% depleted. I won't plug it in and hope that it's ok. - overnight - Darn. It doesn't work well now and needs charge. Bad device. Bad."

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

As some people say, PEBKAC. (Problem between the chair and the keyboard.)

GoTeslaChicago | 11. Februar 2013

GoTeslaChicago | FEBRUARY 11, 2013
Why are we starting a new thread on the NY Times article when there already is a thread?

egghead | FEBRUARY 11, 2013 NEW
Why not? I felt that the prior thread didn't express the stupidity of the article accurately so I started another one. Is that ok? Have a broken a rule?

To Egghead: Don't you think we have enough threads to wade through without having multiple threads on the same topic?

Do you really think that there should be a different thread for everyone who has a different opinion?
Sounds like you're ego needs it's own thread.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Hey GoTeslaChicago, no need to be insulting. (And it's "your ego" not "you are ego". Bad grammar.)

GoTeslaChicago | 11. Februar 2013

Thanks for the correction. Even tho I check, I nearly always miss something.

GoTeslaChicago | 11. Februar 2013

egghead | FEBRUARY 11, 2013
As some people say, PEBKAC. (Problem between the chair and the keyboard.)

Just wondering if it should be PBCAK?

Problem Between the Chair And the Keyboard

rlpm | 11. Februar 2013

PEBKAC : Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
PEBSWAS : Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel And Seat

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Anyway, I sure hope that Elon serves this reporter his ass on a platter. Looking forward the the publishing of the log and subsequent evisceration.

GoTeslaChicago | 11. Februar 2013

tnks, rlpm

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Wish I could watch CNBC right now with Elon!!!

rlpm | 11. Februar 2013

@GTC : You're welcome.
@egghead : Agreed. I hope they make an example out of this "reporter".

Brian H | 11. Februar 2013

Eggs go bad when the shell cracks.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Does anyone have an update on the CNBC interview?

Doogue | 11. Februar 2013

Here is Elon's response phone call to the Money Honey a few minutes ago on CNBC:

I wish he didn't sound so defensive and the conspiracy stuff (NYT blogger is out to get us) just doesn't sound like a big boy company. Should be a short answer and put in terms most people should understand - hammer the ICE comparison... if you have a 1/4 of tank of gas, you shouldn't be expected to go the same distance as a full tank....isn't that the basis of his argument? Stick to that.

Before the flames start, I'm a res holder of both S and X and a stockholder of TSLA, so I'm on board, but IMHO Elon's delivery needs some's not a bad thing to accept that.

shs | 11. Februar 2013

In response to Elon, the NYT said to CNBC that the article was "completely factual", and that the reporter described the trip in detail in the article, followed Tesla's instructions completely and was never told to plug in overnight in cold weather, despite numerous contacts with Tesla. The NYT also seemed to not like the word "fake".

TheAustin | 11. Februar 2013

"Does anyone go to bed with their iPhone, iPad, whatever, at 30% charge and expect it to last the whole next day?"


Operator error. The End.

sergiyz | 11. Februar 2013

he didn't expect it to last the whole next day.
he expected to drive 46 miles when the car showed it was capable of driving 90 miles.
Next morning according to the reporter it showed 20 miles or range, that's far beyond 1% a day (per manual) or even 10% discharge rate (that is not even in the manual).
If he's lying about these numbers and Tesla can prove it, bad for him.
Otherwise bad for Tesla.

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

Does anyone have to tell you to plug your iPhone in when it's low? When you have a lot of apps that use up juice? (Trying to draw a comparison to the cold.) Under usual circumstances, the Model S wouldn't use that much juice when parked, but it was pretty darn cold. The manual does say to plug it in when parked.

I liked Elon's comments. He obviously respects the NYT but he said that in this instance, the article was not completely factual. May not be the case. The MENTIONED facts may be correct, the ones left out however are the ones that matter. (i.e. detours through Manhattan, speeding much faster than the limit.)

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

In the diagram, the author had 79 miles of range left leaving NYC and did not charge up! Milford is 73 miles away!!!! He must have been trying to run it to zero. Who, in their right mind, would think "Hey, it's 73 miles and the car says I have 79 miles (though I know that it's been using charge faster because of the cold) I'm sure I can make it!" Other than a journalist seeking a sensationalistic story.

shop | 11. Februar 2013

The journalist was just being a prick and getting a story out of the process. Actually that's how a lot of journalists get their stories. You really, really have to exercise judgement when reading the press these days as MOST stories are slanted one way or another.

nemesis11 | 11. Februar 2013
Mike6 | 11. Februar 2013

In the end, I suspect Tesla is right, and the guy probably did screw up the test.


Tesla set itself up for this by overhyping the mileage.

The car does not get 300 miles per charge. This is a fact, which even Tesla acknowledges, and yet for some reason, the marketing literature still has 300 miles all over it. In certain driving conditions does it get that? I guess a couple of people have done it, but I never even come close to that. 200mi is about the top range of a standard charge with typical driving.


PS. Still love my Tesla.

Brian H | 11. Februar 2013

EPA managed it on their earlier 2-cycle test. Try harder.

shop | 11. Februar 2013

EPA managed what on their 2 cycle test?

Brian H | 11. Februar 2013

300 miles range. The number fell to 265 on their tougher 5-cycle test.

Pungoteague_Dave | 11. Februar 2013

Still, 265 is ridiculous in real life use. 175 is he correct number or trip planning. For all of you TM fanboys out there hating on the NYT reporter, he did what he was told and had direct support from TM throughout the trip, with more avice and support than any of us will receive. You BLAME him for not plugging in even though the car leaflet indicated a big cushion for his Hirt drive the next day. Do YOU fill your ICE car's tank at 30% formpty? If you do, you've got more free time on your hands than most.

For those who said he should have plugged in during the overnight, check your facts. First look at Plugshare for Groton. As he said in the article, there was nowhere to plug in. Second, those of you who say he should have plugged into 110 either don't have a Model S or don't live where it is cold. In 10 degree weather, the charge from a 110 outlet is not close to enough to keep up with he vampire loss from maintaining the battery's heat. In any case the car would have LOST range while plugged into a 110 outlet in those conditions. But of course that is not explained in the manual and no one at TM seemed to understand this fact when advising the reporter. Make excuses and blame the messenger if you wish, but this is NOT about educating the user, or his stupidity. This is about a car that was demonstrated to not be able to do what it and its seller's marketing arm claimed.

These cars are sold as ICE replacements, except better in every way. Until the car can figure out its own status and mileage projections more realistically, it is still Beta technology. I own one, am in a similar over-sold situation where the car cannot reasonably make my 220 mile single-leg requirement. Otherwise I love the car, just can't drive it much.

Pungoteague_Dave | 11. Februar 2013

Lots of typos in prior post. Sorry, iPad fumble fingers.

Cattledog | 11. Februar 2013

Pungo - Elon said he was given explicit instructions and deviated from them. I don't blame him, I blame him for half and Tesla for half. Unfortunately the half where he humbled himself and took responsibility for his (lack of ) actions must have been edited out of the article. No we hear he's sort of a half-truth teller - maybe didn't tell a lie, but didn't tell the whole truth. Hmmm.

BTW, I drove 202 miles one way twice last week at 72MPH, with 42 and 22 miles remaining. So 175 for trip planning is conservative for many trips.

Hills | 11. Februar 2013

Tesla employee told me what Broder reported is not what the GPS file recorded. This issue is probably not finished.

jjaeger | 11. Februar 2013

Cattledog - I'm with you, both on the reporter's behavior as well as doable range. Have made the bay area to Sacramento trip numerous times (200-210 range) without a concern. And that includes some sections out on the 205/I5 that are high 70's/low 80's. 200 easy, 220 still enjoying the ride and having fun. Not so sure about 240 without 'trying' and accounting for the Sunol and Altamont passes. As I've indicated on another thread - when 240-260+ is needed, am handing the fob to my wife...

egghead | 11. Februar 2013

I really want to see the car logs published. For me, however, it doesn't really matter. The bias is very clear in the article. The adjectives, the word choice. No charge in NYC, no charge overnight, the pathetic sounding cafe where he spent a little time.

It was an article generated to create controversy and it has successfully. The author is not a fair and unbiased journalist and he makes no attempt to appear as such. Fine.

Just wish there would be a fine print on the article saying, "I don't believe in electric cars and wanted to behave as moronically as possible while driving one."

Brian H | 12. Februar 2013

That Broder. Oh, brother!

ageorge97 | 12. Februar 2013

The link for the New York Times does not work. Was it removed?

egghead | 12. Februar 2013

This is what Broder has to say for himself (defensively) on the NYT blog: "Virtually everyone says that I should have plugged in the car overnight in Connecticut, particularly given the cold temperature. But the test that Tesla offered was of the Supercharger, not of the Model S, which we already know is a much-praised car. This evaluation was intended to demonstrate its practicality as a “normal use,” no-compromise car, as Tesla markets it. Now that Tesla is striving to be a mass-market automaker, it cannot realistically expect all 20,000 buyers a year (the Model S sales goal) to be electric-car acolytes who will plug in at every Walmart stop."

Alcolytes? Every stop? What? How about AT NIGHT dodo!! Like you do your phone. Is that a compromise? Is that being an alcolyte? (Well, in some ways I guess.)

Test of the supercharger? You didn't even wait till it fully charged at the last stop.

shop | 12. Februar 2013

Well that clears it up. Broder is an idiot.

jk2014 | 13. Februar 2013

Wondering if anyone picked up on Elon's tweet that broder "blatantly" ignored tesla reps advice? Could be interesting if broder made up what tesla reps told him to do. Maybe I'm interpreting this tweet wrong. Wish they would post the log blog already so we can get past this crap already....

GeirT | 13. Februar 2013

Tesla has to move fast on publishing the log otherwise they will lose credibility.
Tweets are not the media to rectify incorrect reporting.