I have a demo on hold and am looking for feedback/advice before jumping

I have a demo on hold and am looking for feedback/advice before jumping

Hello all,

I have a silver performance 2012 production on hold presently at a good discount, but before jumping I have a few questions. First, this is VIN 5YJSA1DP2CFP01244. Secondly, this has been on display in the NYC West Chester store (in a mall), and as such has essentially no miles. Apparently in the last couple weeks it became a demo car and now has 300 miles in test drives on it. Feel free to comment on my questions and anything else you think relevant, because I'll probably just jump on full purchase tomorrow unless I have incentive not to do so.

i) Does anyone know this car specifically? Silver performance sitting at the West Chester mall store for probably quite some time since it is a 2012 production. If so, what are your thoughts? Being in a mall store, it probably has a lot more "sit down and check it out" traffic than in another store. Perhaps more watch/bracelet scratches? I've asked for pictures and a verbal description and am hoping to get that back soon.

ii) What is the difference between a VIN ending in 1244 and what comes off the line today? My dealer (in DC) said really nothing different. She said that this is not a Signature edition, because those ended at VIN 1000. Is that correct? Basically, besides age, miles, and condition, what is the difference between this and one that I'd order brand new?

Anthing else that you can feed back on would be much appreciated. I hadn't planned on jumping on a performance, but this will be about the same price as ordering a new non-performance, and since it hasn't been titled it is sold as a new car and qualifies for the Federal tax credit. To me it is a no-brainer....


cgiGuy | 26. Juni 2013

That VIN segment should match up pretty close with the sequence the cars are built in. So, the cars coming off the line these days should be in the 16,000 range.

The only thing I'd be concerned about are the things they've "tweaked" at the factory to make the car better over the last year. You may get some of the issues that have hopefully now been resolved (cracking windshields, condensation in tail lights, etc.). Of course Telsa will fix it, if it happens. But it may be inconvenient for you, depending on how many issued crop up.

If the price is right and you're a patient person.. go for it.

stevenmaifert | 26. Juni 2013

If it was a display model, it means a lot of people have been getting in and out of the car. Look for any unusual wear on the B pillar and sides of the back seat upholstery. Folks tend to rub up against those areas as they get in and out.

GLO | 26. Juni 2013

The demo/display models are software limited to a maximum speed of 80mph. You should ask to have it removed :) (Of course, I'm SURE you would never need to go that fast!).

markapeterman | 26. Juni 2013

Look at the hood where it meets the nosecone headlights - many early production cars had poor fitment at this location. Also some misalignment of the chrome between the front and rear doors on this sides. I agree with checking for interior wear if thousands of people sat in it at the mall (some cars are locked in the showrooms so this may not be an issue).

Captain_Zap | 26. Juni 2013

A Signature has a different VIN. The last letter before the number would be an "S" instead of a "P". Also there would be "Signature" on the side lights and on the chrome trim on the back.

Etographer | 26. Juni 2013


SamO | 26. Juni 2013

The 12V batteries in early Model S were of a lower quality and several/many have needed replacement.

PaceyWhitter | 26. Juni 2013

Some people have reported fit and finish improvements in later models. I would also second stevenmaifert that you should examine the b-pillars carefully because many have noticed issues and with many people getting in and out of the car that could be an issue.

Otherwise good luck!

JZ13 | 26. Juni 2013

How much is the discount?

Mireille and Conan | 26. Juni 2013

+1 GLO

Our MS is a 2012 (non-sig) and we love her :). Haven't had any problems. My advice is go for it!

kback | 26. Juni 2013

Since then, the door handle mechanism has been modified slightly, so you should ask about that. Also, early windhields were prone to cracks, and the manufacturing process has reportedly been improved. I would ask about that as well. Agree with SamoSam that you should definitely check on the 12V battery. There were major problems with one batch from a sub-par manufacturer.

ferrari308driver | 26. Juni 2013

The discount is nearly $10k, making this, as mentioned previously, about the same price as a similarly equipped non-performance model.

All good feedback. I wish I could easily just go take a look at it.

ferrari308driver | 26. Juni 2013

If anyone reading happens by that mall, tell me your price and I'll pay you to go assess condition for me!!!!

hademarco | 26. Juni 2013

I will be there but not till next week on 4th of July. If no one has checked it out by then, I'll check it for you. Free.

kawaiia | 26. Juni 2013

Fog lights came with the earlier version, this may be an added bonus.

hademarco | 26. Juni 2013

Oh sorry ferrari308driver, I thought it was in New York City. I see that it is in White Plains. I will not be there.

skymaster | 26. Juni 2013

I would grab it fast...

MarkV | 26. Juni 2013

As others have advised, do not hesitate or have any second thoughts. It is a good deal with no reason to reject it. If there are any "issues" TESLA will correct them. The worst scenario I expect is a little detailing to clean the interior. That said there could be some "rash" on the wheels if someone hit a curb but your volunteer inspectors will spot that for you.

STARR X | 26. Juni 2013

Correct me if I'm wrong but less than 3,500 MS's were made in 2012. Truly a collector's item.

bradslee | 26. Juni 2013

TM 2012 shareholder annual report states that in 2012 TM delivered only 2,650 MS.

Mathew98 | 26. Juni 2013

That's 10 grands off a P85 with only 300 miles on it. The initial batch of cars all came with about 200 miles from thorough testing.

Do you still qualify for the $7500 credit at the end of the year?

If so, what are you waiting for??? You're getting a FREE performance upgrade. Do you know how many current owners are drooling over this deal now?

tqnguyen3 | 26. Juni 2013

I would buy a new 85 kWh.
In my opinion and experience, less headache, same joy,pride.

ramtaz | 26. Juni 2013

Get the car now.You are getting a discount ! Smile and be HAPPY!!

shop | 26. Juni 2013

I would go ahead and buy it - that's a nice discount for a car with so few miles on it. If you do end up with any issues (and SOME earlier models did have minor issues here and there), Tesla will fix it quickly. Call up your electrician and get a NEMA 14-50 installed in your garage if you haven't already!

Mike C | 26. Juni 2013

A little interior scuffing is probably worth it for a free performance upgrade.

kwshepherd | 26. Juni 2013

@ferrari308driver How were you able to hold a demo? I called Tesla and got a call back from a guy in FL (I live in CA) and all he did for me was offer to sell me cars that people ordered and then backed out of. I would prefer a demo to get a slight discount. Who should I call?

ferrari308driver | 26. Juni 2013

My closest showroom is in Washington, DC. I enquired if they ever sold the demos or show cars, and they do. 1% depreciation per month, and $1 per mile driven. If the person at your local showroom won't help, call another I guess...?

kwshepherd | 26. Juni 2013


appljd | 26. Juni 2013

I would go for it for 10K off. Have a S85. Got in in Jan 2013. No issues. As mentioned prior Tesla Service can take care of all the mandatory bulletins etc...

olanmills | 26. Juni 2013

I think that sounds like a nice deal. However, as others have suggested, I would look carefully at the car for wear or damage on parts that can't easily be replaced, like the leather on the B-pillar as some have suggested. I would look at the leather and the stitching that you can see on the seats and on the dash and door panels. Make sure none of the stitching looks too frayed. Also make sure that the windows, sunroof, and trunk hatch work properly without making strange noises, since though may have gotten a lot of exercise as demos as well.

CalabasasKid | 26. Juni 2013

TEN GRAND? I thought Tesla was only giving a discount on demo cars equal to about 50 cents per mile??
Not fair. I want one!

CalabasasKid | 27. Juni 2013

I spoke to Bennett today from HQ in Menlo Park (that's what the caller of on my phone said was the source of the call). His inventory showed that exact car on his list and be said be knew of no such discount at all. He said demo or display cars were discounted at $1 per mile and that's it. Very interesting that Matt is this far the first and ONLY poster in this forum to arrange such a deal. Hmmmm

CalabasasKid | 27. Juni 2013

Sorry for the spell check errors. Darn iPhone

Mathew98 | 28. Juni 2013

It's also discounted for 1k per month sitting in the showroom. It is feasible that an earlier demo model with an early VIN# can get such discount.

The unbelievable part is that it is still available for someone to snap it up.

tobi_ger | 28. Juni 2013

So after about 8.5 years it's free? :)

CalabasasKid | 28. Juni 2013

Highly irregular if you ask me. The 1% discount added to the $1 per mile discount was a calculation only used for those wanting to swap their cars for a service loaner. It i guess anything is possible. Although, what does that say when the car has been available for such a discount yet no one has taken TM up on their offer?

ferrari308driver | 29. Juni 2013

Guys, I don't know what the story is on 1244. They would not let us see it -- the roof is being replaced and they said it is completely off right now and they wouldn't let us see it in that state. We were supposed to go see it and a couple others at the service center, and to avoid our visiting the service center they moved two over to the mall where their showroom is. I got to drive a performance last night for the first time, and we ended up putting a deposit on the red one on their showroom floor in the mall. We are saving a few thousand dollars -- not quite what we were looking at discount-wise with 1244. But the red one is a newer VIN P07964, is red (which is what she wanted initially), is performance (which I think will have greater resale value down the road, and I love the red piping, and I adore the new torque), has carbon fiber interior which I really like in that red. They are adjusting the car (and the price) by removing the 21" wheels in favor of 19", removing the rear-facing seats (the kids loved them on the test drive yesterday, but they're of limited value for me and just take up space in the long run), and adding twin chargers (which I didn't know they could do on the fly).

Thanks for all the advice, and for those looking for a good deal on an older (but still untitled) silver performance, have your contacts keep an eye on it (01244).

But to be clear, I've been told that same formula for "depreciation" on loaners, demos, show cars, marketing cars, etc. The only catch is to ensure you get one that hasn't been titled yet so you can still get it "new" and qualify for the Federal tax credit. I think our new red one has 2100 miles on it plus it was produced in March, so a few thousand off...

Brian H | 29. Juni 2013

All's well that ends with a Model S.