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the idea of the infinite Engine

the idea of the infinite Engine

I think I came up with the idea of the infinite engine
and I would like to contact you example by mail.

How do I contact you?

danielpf | 15. Januar 2016

You can contact Elon Musk. He knows how to launch a space ship around the Earth for an infinite trip.

JuJoo | 15. Januar 2016

Please don't let it be water force, wind force, solar, or perpetual motion.

jordanrichard | 15. Januar 2016

Not that I am the person to talk to, but what does your infinite engine run on. The engine in anything is not the problem, it is the source of power be it gas, diesel, battery etc. Diesel generators for example will keep running non stop, as long as there is a steady supply of diesel fuel.

So, what is your fuel/power source.

JRTesla | 15. Januar 2016

The definition of an infinite engine is the same a perpetual motion machine. It produces it's own power, or more than it needs to operate. They do not exist nor will they ever unless someone finds a way to suspend the laws of physics.

Rocky_H | 15. Januar 2016

@JRTesla, Quote: "[...]unless someone finds a way to suspend the laws of physics."

Don't give them that out. Every one of these people thinks their machine does that.

Larry@SoCal | 15. Januar 2016

Just build one. Do it, do.
~L

Dramsey | 16. Januar 2016

@ilyamelkov81,

Nobody wants to hear your ignorant ravings about your fantasy impossible engine. Please choke on your own stupidity and die.

RedShift | 16. Januar 2016

@dramsey

Now now!

Hey Ilya- do you know Tesla isn't interested in ideas, Power Point slide decks, or block diagrams?

Build it first. Then talk to them. Until then, please don't post on here, someone might steal your idea.

Dramsey | 16. Januar 2016

Over the years I've been on this forum, I've learned that sweet reason and appeals to Tesla's oft-stated requirements never, ever work. So anyone who posts drivel about their free energy source, miracle battery, or other folderol receives only my vilest opprobrium. It's all they deserve.

RedShift | 16. Januar 2016

@dramsey

I'm with you. I've learnt to treat them for the entertainment value they provide. What do you expect, it's a free public forum. Riff raff will wander in and out.... No mount of protesting will prevent that.

bb0tin | 17. Januar 2016

@dramsey
I hope you will take the same approach as you preach with your ignorant denier ravings about Climate Change.

Dramsey | 17. Januar 2016

It's been months since I've said anything about climate change, and even then my "ignorant denier ravings" were largely limited to pointing out the very poor record existing climate models have compiled in predicting weather. This isn't so much an ignorant denier raving as "pointing out facts", but whatever...

But I understand now that AGW is a religion, and nobody was ever argued out of their religion, so I just don't talk about it any more. Really, nobody cares what my opinions on the matter are, so why bother? I have a Mod S, and a house full of LED bulbs and smart appliances, so my carbon footprint's probably lower than whoever's yelling at me anyway.

That said, I'm not sure your comment actually makes any, you know, sense. I said I would heap scorn and ridicule upon those posting about perpetual motion schemes and related subjects. You said you hope I take the same approach with...myself?

bb0tin | 17. Januar 2016

@Dramsey
You said “were largely limited to pointing out the very poor record existing climate models have compiled in predicting weather.” You also posted incorrect opinion about the evidence, as well as incorrect statements about the predictions.

On Dec 14, 2013 you posted:
“Not to highjack the thread, but in other news over 2,000 low-temperature and snowfall records were set in this country last week. Heck, Cairo just had its first snow in 112 years! But I suppose that all falls under "climate change."
This was intended to deny Climate Change itself, not the predictions.

I responded with:
“If you had done your research you would know that Climate Change includes snowfall where it normally doesn't fall due to the change in weather systems. The shifting and weakening jet streams is causing weather systems to get into a 'locked in' state. The unusual snow supports Climate Change, rather than refutes it. Climate Change science is complicated and interwoven. It cannot be discussed, with any merit, without doing a lot of research first.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24756-nightmare-before-christmas-f...”

On Dec 15, 2013 you posted:
“Remember in the 1970s when climate scientists were assuring us that we were entering a new, mini-ice age? There was serious talk about spreading carbon black on glaciers to promote warming.”
This is false and was intended to cast doubt on the current consensus of scientific understanding of Climate Change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

You also posted:
“You said "Since we can't perform a double-blind experiment with the earth, the only test of climate change theory is its ability to make accurate predictions."
This is ignorant and false, and was intended to deny the current scientific understanding of Climate Change.

I replied with:
“Climate Change is real or not real. It is not decided by theory. It is explained by theory. It is decided by evidence and there is copious evidence from many thousands of studies, from scientists all over the world, accumulated over decades, covering many different physical affects. There are simple statistics such as the record high temperatures in the USA are now double the record lows, where they used to be equal. That the cost of climate disasters are now 3X what they were a few decades ago, but the non-Climate related disasters are not. I could list as least 10 different lines of evidence on different physical systems.”

On July 14, 2015 you posted:
“Nobody who's not on psychotropic drugs is predicting warming of 2C+ to 6C+ for the next 50-100 years. Not even the IPCC, which has of late slashed its warming predictions.”
This is false and was intended to denigrate predictions of 2C+.
I showed you proof when I responded with:
“Please read this link which has a maximum (although not the most likely scenario) IPCC rise by 2100 of about 6.4C.
https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections...”

In summary, you were a Climate Change denier, and not just someone expressing doubt about the accuracy of climate models.

You said “But I understand now that AGW is a religion”
It is not a religion.
It is accepting the overwhelming science i.e. evidence which can be falsified.
Religion is having belief regardless of the evidence.

You said “I'm not sure your comment actually makes any, you know, sense.”
You want perpetual motion posters to look at the science and the evidence and accept that perpetual motion is not possible, and to not post claims otherwise.
I want you to look at the science and the evidence for Climate Change and accept that Climate Change is real, and to not post claims otherwise.

Dramsey | 18. Januar 2016

Ah, posts I made months and years ago, dug up by a thread-highjacking troll who's made it his personal mission to make me a believer in (anthropogenic) Climate Change (note the capitalization. Religions like to capitalize things.). Good times, good times.

Let me dig up something I just posted a day or two ago. In this very thread, actually:

...I just don't talk about it any more. Really, nobody cares what my opinions on the matter are...

So I've already stopped rocking your leaky little boat. Apparently, though, that's not enough: I must make obeisance and repudiate everything I've said previously.

If you're waiting for this, you're going to be disappointed.

Feel free to criticize and reprove me with unsparing severity and frankness. I know it's going to look as if I'm ignoring you, but...[click]

Rocky_H | 18. Januar 2016

Ha ha, @Dramsey, that was a thing of beauty.

DTsea | 18. Januar 2016

Dramsey.... awesome.

Red Sage ca us | 18. Januar 2016

Dramsey: +42! If I were to bother to reply to that guy anymore, that would pretty much be it.

RedShift | 18. Januar 2016

@dramsey

+1!!!!!

And I am a believer, whose opinions no one cares about either!

bb0tin | 18. Januar 2016

@Dramsey
You said "who's made it his personal mission to make me a believer in (anthropogenic) Climate Change"
I have no interest in making you accept Climate Change so your rant is off the mark. What I requested is that you apply the same reasoning that you applied to perpetual motion posters to yourself. I also pointed out your hypocrisy based on your past posts on Climate Change. As for you admitting that what you have posted is incorrect based on the science, I have learnt that deniers never admit to be wrong about the facts. I do not expect it from you either.

I also pointed out your false claim that you mostly doubted the accuracy of the climate models. You have just said yourself that you do not accept AGW. To pretend that you only doubt the accuracy of the models is simply not true.

PS:
I understand that some posters do not like the confrontational tone of my posts when I tell someone they are incorrect based on the facts, or have lied.. Rest assured I find ignorant opinions and lies just as distasteful.

PPS:
Unrequested political comment: For those who do not like the state of US politics, i.e. the entrenched positions based on opinion and not facts, based on self-interest and not truth, examine the way your posts are constructed. Do you post what you have evidence to support, in an attempt to seek the truth, or do you simply post and defend your opinion, regardless of the evidence.

Timo | 19. Januar 2016

@Dramsey +42! I have stopped ages ago, good to see that others have same opinion, it's futile to argue with religious nuts.

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@to those supporting Dramseys post
I guess you also support his statement that perpetual motion posters should receive only his vilest opprobrium. I have a hard time reconciling the sentiment of that statement with your support for him.

I guess you think that as long as someone's opinion agrees with your own opinion, then they can behave in whatever vile manner they like. It is all just dandy with you.

But if someone has the temerity to point out why you are incorrect, then that is definitely not OK with you.

Such hypocrisy is sad.

PS:
Watch the recent BBC interview with Elon Musk and pay particular attention to the reply that Elon gives to the question asked at 16:25. It is a philosophy that I agree with and that many of you obciously do not. Voicing your opinion seems to be more important than it being correct or true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlidB40aoTI

ammaraamjed | 19. Januar 2016

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ammaraamjed | 19. Januar 2016
vishalsharma070 | 19. Januar 2016

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ammaraamjed | 19. Januar 2016

click

JRTesla | 19. Januar 2016

bb0tin you are the ultimate example of "I have a hammer so every problem (or in this case, post) is a nail.

biotin | JANUARY 18, 2016
@Dramsey
You said "who's made it his personal mission to make me a believer in (anthropogenic) Climate Change"
I have no interest in making you accept Climate Change so your rant is off the mark. What I requested is that you apply the same reasoning that you applied to perpetual motion posters to yourself. I also pointed out your hypocrisy based on your past posts on Climate Change. As for you admitting that what you have posted is incorrect based on the science, I have learnt that deniers never admit to be wrong about the facts. I do not expect it from you either.

If you have no interest, why do you keep talking about it in a thread about a mythical engine?

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@JRTesla
You said “bb0tin you are the ultimate example of "I have a hammer so every problem (or in this case, post) is a nail.”
There are two sections to this.
Firstly, I do have a hammer for every problem. It is valid reasoning with valid evidence to seek the truth. It is the antithesis of ignorant opinion for self-interest.
Secondly, the reason I brought up Dramsey’s Climate Change posts, was not specifically because they were about Climate Change, but because they were ignorant incorrect opinion without valid evidence. If it was jordanrichard who made the post, I would have used his posts about the Bolt’s EPA range instead.

You said “If you have no interest, why do you keep talking about it in a thread about a mythical engine?”
I have already explained why. Because Dramsey stated that people who post about a mythical engine deserve his “vilest opprobrium” and should “choke on your own stupidity and die”. I found this to be a highly offensive attitude against a poster, and also hypocritical.
I used his own Climate Change posts to demonstrate the hypocrisy. I will have to accept that other posters approve of his opinion that those who post opinions which he disagrees with should choke on their own stupidity and die, and suffer his vilest opprobrium. I don’t approve of his opinion, and do not see how it fits with Tesla’s request to be ‘respectful of others’

Rocky_H | 19. Januar 2016

When Red Sage made some remark and you chased and hounded him across many forum threads asking him if it was a joke over 20 times, that's also not being very respectful. It's harassment. If he doesn't want to answer, he doesn't want to answer. The 16th, 17th, and 18th time you hound someone about it is not going to help.

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@Rocky_H
You said "asking him if it was a joke over 20 times" and "The 16th, 17th, and 18th time"
That is a lie. Count them. You are out by a large margin.

You said "that's also not being very respectful."
Pardon? Red Sage had asked me a question and I answered it. Another poster said Red Sage was joking and it was not a serious question. I believed it was, so I politely asked Red Sage if it was, and later said a simple Yes or No would suffice. He responded but would not answer the question. Do you think Red Sage was being respectful? You haven't admonished him, but you admonish me for expecting a simple Yes or No answer from him. Answering would have been no skin off his nose. The reason he did not answer was simply to be a pr@ck. But I guess that is OK with you. You are just as hypocritical as Dramsey. Why do you think it is OK for him to ask me a question, which I answer, but if I ask him a simple Yes or No question, it is OK for him to repeatedly refuse to answer it? Is that being respectful?

PS:
You attitude, and that of some others, baffles me. It seems that as long as you ‘side’ with someone then any behaviour from them is acceptable. But if you do not ‘side’ with someone, then they must behave in a wholly benevolent manner, or be accused of being disrespectful etc.

Rocky_H | 19. Januar 2016

@bb0tin, I do apologize. I was inaccurate in my estimation. It only seemed like 20 times. I did count them, and it was in fact 11 times on that particular question, spread across three threads. Out by a large margin you say? Eh, repeating the same question at someone more than about 5 or 6 times kind of gets into the "making a nuisance of one's self" category, so are 11 and 20 that different when they are both so far beyond propriety? (That was rhetorical, so no, I don't need a yes or no answer.)

Do I think Red Sage was being respectful? Well, in not responding with what he probably wanted to say to that repeated grilling, that is being pretty respectful to show that self-control.

Red did answer and explain why he thought it was a joke on page 5 of that ownership density thread, but you dismissed it because it wasn't the word "yes" or "no".

Quote: "You attitude, and that of some others, baffles me."

It's called "humor", and yes, we picked up that that was your response to it.

The thing that I am "siding with" is being able to joke about things and not being a pain by taking offense at everything.

Heh, I wouldn't have even bothered with the word disrespectful, except that it seems your favorite term for others while you were harassing the heck out of them, so it was fun to turn that particular one around.

So anyway, I appreciate the insight, that an inappropriate number of times to nag someone with the same question is far more than 11. (Who would have guessed?) Apparently I have not been nearly persistent enough in my life, or my parents were a little too strict on that point.

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@Rocky_H
If you go back to my initial question to Red Sage, and my second question to Red Sage, you will find that both were very polite. There was no repeated grilling or hounding or anything else at that point. After that it was clear that Red Sage was not going to answer the question even though it was politely asked. So yes, I was going to keep asking to make it obvious that he had no legitimate reason not to answer and was just being a pr@ck. It was Red Sage who was initially ‘disrespectful’ and not me. But it appears that you think it was OK for him to be so.
Red Sage did not answer that it was a joke. He wrote ‘Joke?’ which does not answer the question either way. I explicitly said to him that it wasn’t an answer, so asked him to just answer Yes or No. I still believe it was a serious question he asked.
You can call it ‘harassment’, but all he needed to do was do the honourable thing and answer Yes or No. I always answer questions from posters, unless I explain why I will not, or I forget to answer. This often requires time and research on my part. It often requires posting the same answer over and over again. That is how a forum should operate in my view.
I will have to accept that you think a forum should operate as a soapbox for ignorant opinion, hypocritical behaviour and a stage to utter such statements as ‘choke on their own stupidity and die’ and ‘suffer his vilest opprobrium’.
But I believe a forum should be a place where a polite question, requiring Yes or No, should be answered. And if it is not, simply because someone wants to be a pr@ck, then yes, I will keep asking it.
So, you stick to your view of what ‘polite’ discourse should be, and I will stick with mine.

PS: The insight you should have drawn from 11 (which I havn't bothered to check is correct) and not 20 is that when you state a number as 20, and then state 16th, 17th, and 18th, as if they were true, bother to check that they are. I do not believe you would accept someone offering you $20,000 for a car and then changing it to $11,000 or less.

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@Rocky_H
You seem to think that Red Sage's question to me was a joke.

Please explain to me why you think this was a joke, rather that a question:
"bb0tin: As for the necessity to 'service hundreds of cars per hour'... Let's look at the math, shall we? If a gasoline service station literally provides a fillup at each pump at a rate of once every mythical five minutes... That means each pump can do 12 ICE cars per hour. If there are eight pump locations at a gas station, that means they can do a fillup for... 96 cars per hour. With 12 pumps, 144 cars per hour. With 16 pumps, 192 cars. So, you would need at least 17 active pumps to service only 204 cars per hour. What number did you have in mind when you wrote, 'hundreds' before? Three hundred? Four hundred?"

And perhaps also explain how this postcript to that was intended as anything else but a sarcastic insult:
"God."

And then explain why this was not a polite and reasonable first question to Red Sage:
"Was this post from you a joke or a serious question?
"bb0tin: As for the necessity to 'service hundreds of cars per hour'... Let's look at the math, shall we? If a gasoline service station literally provides a fillup at each pump at a rate of once every mythical five minutes... That means each pump can do 12 ICE cars per hour. If there are eight pump locations at a gas station, that means they can do a fillup for... 96 cars per hour. With 12 pumps, 144 cars per hour. With 16 pumps, 192 cars. So, you would need at least 17 active pumps to service only 204 cars per hour. What number did you have in mind when you wrote, 'hundreds' before? Three hundred? Four hundred?

God."

And then explain why this was not a polite and reasonable second question:
"So was your question a joke, rather than a serious question you expected an answer to? Yes or No will suffice."

https://my.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/ownership-density-vs-supercharge...

Larry@SoCal | 19. Januar 2016

It is sad to see the Forum wasted in this way.
This certainly does not advance the cause of the EV, and has no relationship the the "forever engine". Reboot guys.
~L

bb0tin | 19. Januar 2016

@Larry@SoCal
The thread topic, and the intial post are:

"the idea of the infinite Engine
ilyamelkov81 | January 14, 2016
I think I came up with the idea of the infinite engine
and I would like to contact you example by mail.
How do I contact you?"

The thread never had anything to do with advancing the cause of the EV.

DTsea | 20. Januar 2016

Bbotin is making me miss grinnin'@va.

bb0tin | 20. Januar 2016

@DTsea
Do you even bother to read and understand my posts?

PS: You said in another thread a few months ago that Tesla will be out of business before the model 3 is released. You also said that people who didn't understand that had buckets for heads.

Homebrook | 20. Januar 2016

The word "infinite" is an adjective that cannot describe anything man made.

Nexxus | 21. Januar 2016

@bb0tin, What, are you ten years old? Give it a rest will you? You've made your point. MOVE ON!

DTsea | 21. Januar 2016

Bb0tin.

No i didnt.

Idiot.

DTsea | 21. Januar 2016

Bbotin btw to answer your questions...

No i never said tesla would go out of business. Tou are confusing me with someone else.

Your posts.... and why you make me miss grinnin'.... he, like you, can be oversensitive. But his posts are at least interesting. I skim yours but i find them repetitive, petty... in a word, BORING.

bb0tin | 21. Januar 2016

@DTsea
I am not being over-sensitive. I believe in honesty and truth. I will confront people who are dishonest and untruthful. I am surprised that you find my posts petty and boring. I argue abased on reason and evidence. I also supplylinks which are in themselves interesting. Repetitive, yes. Usually because people keep posting the same oft debunked rubbish. As for Red Sage, yes, I was deliverately repetitive because was acting like a pri@ck. Why not have a go at Red Sage for not answering my originally, politely asked question? You may find Red Sage's posts interesting, but they are often wrong. I prefer correct to incorrect, and don't care how interesting something is if it is wrong. But that is me.

PS: Yes you did say tesla would go out of business . No I am not confusing you with someone else.

Ross1 | 22. Januar 2016

Short posts are good

DTsea | 22. Januar 2016

Wrong botin. And still boring.

Timo | 22. Januar 2016

Don't bother answering to bb brain. He doesn't understand reasoning and he just keep hijacking threads as long as someone answers to him. Ignoring him completely is best policy outside of climate change threads.

DTsea | 22. Januar 2016

You are right Timo.

He did make me miss grinnin though. So that's something.

PBEndo | 22. Januar 2016

@DTsea
I started to notice bb0 around the same time I no longer noticed Grinnin. I wasn't missing Grinnin, but I did notice that they are never in the same place at the same time. I thought, for a moment that bb0 was Ron under a new moniker, but the lack of indents, tabs, and italics with every quote rules that out.

DTsea | 22. Januar 2016

@PBEndo,

I actually had the same thought. However Grinnin' gets enraged whereas BB seems to just get obsessive. So they didnt seem to have the same style. And as you say Grinnin' uses fonts more elaborately.

I found grinnin' amusing sometimes.... BB not so much. I wasnt missing Grinnin until then either! I suppose it is all relative.

bb0tin | 22. Januar 2016

I think that 6 legged monkeys are going to be used by Volvo for their autonomous cars in 2018. Pretty interesting huh.

DTsea | 22. Januar 2016

Well BB if you are attempting to display a sense of humor then, yes, that's better.

EcLectric | 22. Januar 2016

I don't think your 6-legged monkey idea is moral or safe.

If we breed 6 legged monkeys:

- How many arms will they have?
- Where will they get pants?
- Does that mean they'll have 5 er... genitals between those legs?
- Or will that be 3?
- Will the 3 or 5 er.. genitals be the same type?
- What kind of crazy-ass breeding will happen then?

It don't think that will end well...

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