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NY Times Makes a Run at Tesla . . . Again

NY Times Makes a Run at Tesla . . . Again

phat78boy | 23. August 2013

Some people get it and some don't. Out of the ones who don't, some you will never be able to show the light.

ian t.wa.us | 23. August 2013

Seems like a fairly written article to me. What points are you taking issue with?

GaryREM.va.us | 23. August 2013

Very good article! Seems like the Tesla specialist did a good job of helping him understand where things were developing and what he needed to consider.

omarsultan.ca.us | 23. August 2013

From a marketing perspective, a pretty good article--it created a vehicle (no pun) to tackle some of the main objections people have. The only problem I see is the final quote by Jonas on the Tesla not being practical as an only car yet.

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ian t.wa.us | 23. August 2013

It was truthful. For some people, like the author, it might not be practical as an only car.

If Tesla can help to get charge points installed in public parking garages in big cities it would remove another big hurdle for mass adoption.

Kimscar | 23. August 2013

I to agree for the most part a good article. Ther were a few points I would take issue with.

1. While pointing out the vampire loss he should have pointed out that a firmware update is coming that would address the vampire loss.

2. Liken omarsultan I agree that the comments that one would need a second car to go along with the Tesla. For some people this would be the case. But I believe for the majority this car is fine as only car.

3. This car should have a higher reliability over an ICE car. Time will tell.

Otherwise not a bad article.

wcalvin | 23. August 2013

I thought it was perfectly pitched for the potential New York customer.

What would really help sales there is a Supercharger at, say, the 59th St Bridge where Queens and Brooklyn can get to it too. And an overnight valet service. Fortunately, if the valet has to park the Tesla in a different spot when returning the charged car, the owner can just use the App the next morning to find it.

New York City is something of a worst case, even more so than Boston. Garages are crammed to the gills, and retrofitting even a 40kw line into one would be major surgery. Lots of people have no garage and have to park on the streets, where finding a space can be a full-time occupation. So solving the charging problem for them is quite different; a supercharger would make a valet service possible.

wcalvin | 23. August 2013

What that valet will need is a foldup Tesla electric bicycle that fits in the trunk.

syoung168 | 23. August 2013

If the city is losing the power, the pump station cannot pump the gas either. Both gas station and charging station will have the same issue.

ian t.wa.us | 23. August 2013

True but there are mechanical pumps for gasoline. Not so for electrons. Besides, I bet many of those gas stations have backup generators if they get regular power outages.

TeslaTap.com | 23. August 2013

But if you have solar power, you can charge up during the day.

I've never seen a gas station with a backup generator, but I'm sure a few might have it. A hand pump sounds like both a pain and dangerous.

bonaire | 23. August 2013

Read it today. One glaring thing was the misrepresentation of electricity price to gas. There was not truth in the $1 electric compare to $5 gas. Effectively, that only is true if you are coming out of a 15mpg car, which some may be, going into an ev. But a 40mpg car compared to an EV is roughly a $1 to $3 compare. EVs tend to be about 1/3 the price for fuel per mile if driven the same as an ICE in the tri state area around NYC. I know... Who cares about details, but I do when a story reaches tens of people via the NYT... (Minor pun). Very fair article compared to the Broder debacle.

bonaire | 23. August 2013

@Tap. There is legislation in NJ now that requires some gas stations to install generators for pumping and computer equipment. However, there is also state money grants to help roll it out. Should be a good jobs program for some electricians.

S4WRXTTCS | 23. August 2013

I find it a little odd that one would react that harshly to what is a fairly well written and balanced article.

The only fair complaints I have about the article is there was some areas where I felt like it needed updating. Like the Vampire drain is no longer 10miles per night in the 5.0 firmware (at least as far as I know). It also needed more clarification as to the real world range of the 60KW versus the 85KW.

I'm getting a 60KW, and I wouldn't trust it to make a 178 mile round trip. 150 miles is where I would draw the line for the 60KW even though I know there are plenty of examples of people greatly exceeding that.

cfOH | 23. August 2013

I dislike the article's author using the age-old trick of truncating a quotation and using it out of context. Had he quoted Musk's entire statement about the company's current valuation, it would've been fair. Oh, and ending on the ridiculous opinion of some analyst (who probably has shorted TSLA from the beginning and is bitter) was lame.

DFibRL8R | 23. August 2013

I routinely road trip in my 60. 210 miles with no charge is easy. I'm currently sitting 380 miles from home enjoying a family vacation in the Hamptons, drove here with 6 people in the car and luggage. This car is amazing! Every other car here is a Ferrari or Ashton Martin etc but this car turns a lot of heads. I particularly enjoy passing a Ferrari filling up at the gas station!

Brian H | 23. August 2013

Using SuperChargers to supply the urban drivers' daily needs in NYC (or any other city) is not on, under the current plan. Maybe paid versions (with some other name/label?).

DFibRL8R | 23. August 2013

NY would be a much nicer place without the stench if exhaust. This city really needs better EV infrastructure. I hear there is talk of converting the obsolete phone booths to EV chargers.

justineet | 23. August 2013

FU NY Times! you have proven to be less reliable than tabloid rags!! You allow crooked so called journalists to commit fraud after fraud with impunity but still expect to be taken seriously....FU NY Times...

Maestrokneer | 23. August 2013

Man, not sure what people's beef is with this article. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Tesla super-fan as well, but this was a fair and balanced article. It's minor flaws are no different from your standard journalistic inaccuracies about any other topic.

justineet | 23. August 2013

@Maistrokneer....I didn't even read it because I am really disappointed with American media these days for the most part.....it's not only about their coverage on Tesla but other news especially world news........they are especially pathetic when it comes to getting it right on international news........a bunch of light weights for the most part when it comes to international news

Gluaisrothai | 23. August 2013

" There was not truth in the $1 electric compare to $5 gas. Effectively, that only is true if you are coming out of a 15mpg car, which some may be, going into an ev. But a 40mpg car compared to an EV is roughly a $1 to $3 compare. "

Identify a 40mpg car that performs like a Model S and I'll accept your point.

bonaire | 23. August 2013

Justin, then go read or watch RT and AlJeera. Both do have abit more information than is filtered here.

justineet | 23. August 2013

@bonaire.....of course I can do that but it's worrisome if major US media most Americans get their information are doing a terrible job in in informing the public.......

shop | 23. August 2013

NYC *is* a challenge for any EV. It is also an opportunity as reducing urban pollution would be a major win. Parking garages, condos, apartments, parking lots all *can* upgrade their infrastructure to accommodate EV charging, it'll just take more time to do in comparison to the homeowner who can hire an electrician in a couple of weeks. So NYC isn't a write off, it'll just be a slow adopter. Contrast that to broadband access where dense cities like NYC lead the national in cheap affordable Internet access and fast wireless. All just bumps in the road on the way to an electric car society.

stimeygee | 23. August 2013

That article is maddening. I am in the EXACT same situation as the author. Live in manhattan, park in a parking garage, have a home upstate (although mine is 140 miles away not a paltry 88), and yes the Tesla is the only car I need or use. There are so many minor misstatements or misunderstandings in the article, I find it very frustrating. The biggest one is that quote at the end which seems to sum up the point of view of the article - that the Tesla is a toy that cant be relied on as your sole car. I am living proof that is false. But whatever. His loss if he doesn't get the car.

The only legitimate concern he voiced, in my opinion, is the price. Yes it's expensive. But in my opinion its also the best car on the planet, and dollar for dollar still an impressive value.

olanmills | 23. August 2013

"It’s not yet practical as an only car"

Bullshit.

(The quote is from analyst quoted by the author, not the author himself)

ian t.wa.us | 23. August 2013

Good feedback stimey. Can you fill us in on how you get around the lack of charging infrastructure in NYC? Or point us to a post that you've already discussed this.

Thanks!

SamO | 23. August 2013

Hitler's Short Position in $TSLA is Ruined https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkvYvk8vxuw

J.T. | 23. August 2013

@SamoSam. Quite entertaining. Thanks for sharing that.

SamO | 23. August 2013

@jtodman

I laughed out loud the first two times I watched.

lolachampcar | 24. August 2013

So, the only people that can afford a MS live in big cities....

OOOPS, better give my second one back :) (and tell them not to deliver my wife's in two weeks)

Cindy I II III | 24. August 2013

The guy hasn't driven one yet! It's like a virgin who's never kissed a girl writing about his analysis on kisses after watching it on broadway. I'm curious see how he feels about the price and other hurdles after the scheduled test drive.

earlyretirement | 24. August 2013

I thought the article was pretty fair but I agree those that have never test drove the car, shouldn't really write articles about it.

I imagine the part about Musk saying the stock market was being "very generous" to Tesla and “the valuation is more than we have any right to deserve" comment bugged people the most.

But that is true as well.

Maestrokneer | 24. August 2013

Hilarious SamoSam! Thanks for posting.

HenryT2 | 24. August 2013

If the NYT hadn't already supported a hack job against Tesla, this would be a perfectly reasonable article. As it stands, having an anti-EV writer manipulate getting stranded and then having a guy who doesn't want a car as expensive as a Tesla AND doesn't have the facilities to support it, I'd say it's not very balanced reporting.

I'd agree that for this author, the Tesla is not for him. Without your own charger, forget it. But then, it's like a guy who has no parking facilities near him saying that saying that the Ford F150 (or Smart TwoFour, or Cadillac Escalade) is somehow deficient because of that. Further, how is it fair to have a writer who has never owned a $70K car and doesn't WANT a $70K car dismiss a $70K car? I'm not sure how respected the NYT would be if they had all homeless writers dismissing cars, food, clothing, etc. based on the fact that they couldn't afford the things that were being sold?

J.T. | 24. August 2013

And what makes you think the NY Times is respected?

jat | 24. August 2013

@Kimscar - my Model S isn't the sole car in our family, that's true -- my wife drives a LEAF :).

portia | 24. August 2013

I have two issues, one "I’ve read that most Tesla customers are already driving BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class, Porsches and other high-end performance cars." well read some more... plentey of threads here which talked about previous cars people owned which are not one of those...

“You have to treat it as a toy and be completely cool if it doesn’t work." it is a toy only because it is so much Fun to drive.

it's not a bad article, but it still is not well researched.

wcalvin | 24. August 2013

You all have a bias toward high-end performance cars. Think Lexus as a stepping ston to Model S.

timmsteiner | 24. August 2013

Here is why this article is stupid:

He didn't even drive the car. It is the test drive that sells this car. Every single person who has driven my P85 walked away wanting one.

If the Tesla kid would have just put him in the car, the story would end like this:

"Holy shit. I drove it and now everything else is moot."

Docrob | 25. August 2013

The point about it being a 71K car is ridiculous, if you are not in the market for a 71k car why write an article about one. The point about parking garage infrastructure is entirely valid. The potential health and environmental benefits of having zero tailpipe emissions in a city like NYC can be measures in the billions. It is so incredibly beneficial that serious support hshould go into breaking down barriers. Parking garages need power points, 110V would probably be fine as a starter, people in NYC tend to drive far shorter daily distances. The examples in this post where he drives essentially zero miles during the week ie the car is plugged in all week continuously and he drives a 180 mile round trip on the weekend, for this drive a 110V outlet and a 14-50 charger at his weekend destination would be perfectly adequate. I suspect 110V would be enough for much of NYC drivers.

Docrob | 25. August 2013

I furthermore believe NYC is such a potentially huge market where charging infrastructure is such an unusually difficult challenge, mainly as a result of almost no one having off street parking other then public parking garages, that NYC is deserving of being an exception to the "no superchargers in destinations" rule. A model S would make a perfect town car for thousands of wealthy NYCers if their driver could do a weekly drop in to a supercharger during a meeting. I would happy with it being a pay stations but the market it opens for Tesla makes it well worth making it a standard supercharger in my opinion.

J.T. | 25. August 2013

Like the idea, hate the reality due to:
Rent
Con Edison
Ease af Access
Solar panels won't help

And with all that talk about Charging Etiquette let's not forget you're talking about New Yorkers. Reserved parking space in Manhattan? You're going to see gunplay.

Docrob | 25. August 2013

They buy or lease a small lot, no one can argue with Tesla using their own property for whatever they damn want. Ease of access, con Edison? Theyre the main reasons NYC needs charging infrastructure.

Code4Ever | 25. August 2013

- Treat it as a "Toy" that may not work ?
- Read the paper while stuck in traffic ?

Kind of silly article

J.T. | 25. August 2013

Property prices are through the roof in Manhattan. Con Edison is notoriously uncooperative. Real estate is really expensive and almost impossible to come by in central Manhattan. I'd rather drive 30 miles in the suburbs than try and go 6 blocks crosstown during the day. There is a plot of land 76 feet wide in the lower east side for 15,000,000.

And, I don't know if I mentioned it land is expensive in Manhattan.

Maybe they could do something near their location in Long Island City. It's possible that since owners will be using their cars a lot less than suburbia a location in Fort Lee or near the Meadowlands will be convenient enough for a once a week charge.

Like I said, I think it's a good idea but as far as Supercharger locations go NYC has to have more going against it logistically than practically any other place in the country.

Plattinum | 25. August 2013

I made two auto trips in the last 18 years that I could not have driven my Tesla without recharging. I fully expect at some point that I will be able to upgrade my battery to one with a 500 mile range.
If necessary, renting a car is a much better option then having a second vehicle.
While the car is not cheap it is priced comparatively to other luxury cars.

It is a great car and the convenience of never needing to stop for gas is addictive.
It is the perfect only car, a luxury sedan and a sports car in a single package. One should have a place that it can be plugged in each night.

lolachampcar | 25. August 2013

so much attention paid to such little real estate....

SamO | 25. August 2013

There are already MANY parking garages with preferential charging in the first few spots in the lower level in Manhattan.

http://www.beamcharging.com/beam-locations.html

Attendants swap the charged cars for the cars needing charging.

Just like the Superchargers bring in customers, parking garages in Manhattan are jumping at the chance to market themselves to high-end luxury cars.

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