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Range Rage

Have any of you had people unplug you from public chargers?

I once parked next to a guy in a plug-in Prius who got a nasty note on his car for using the J1772 charger - even though there were open chargers next to him.

Another time, I was plugged in to a 110 outlet just to top off while I was at the mall, and someone unplugged me and left a nasty note on my car saying something to the effect of "You're not the only electric car owner in the world." There was another open slot next to me, too.

The guy in the plug-in Prius (who seemed super nice) said he has had openly hostile encounters with Nissan Leaf owners. I guess they have very particular rules about who they think "should" be using public chargers... Basically only them.

My theory is that, because their range is so low, they're just angry about it all the time. They have to vent it onto someone else who doesn't have the same problems they have - like Plug in hybrid owners or Tesla owners.

This range rage could get serious. I actually avoid public chargers unless I really need the juice, now.

cgiGuy | 22. Juni 2013

Maybe this is a good business opportunity.. body guards for hire to watch charging Teslas. I envision a guy who looks like the late Michael Duncan Clark standing in front of my car with a red Tesla polo and sunglasses (even at night) with his arms crossed. "Go ahead.. reach for the plug."

Patosan | 22. Juni 2013

Perhaps a few exposed wires, extending from the terminals onto the connector body?
This mod could be done so that it is very discrete, at lest form a visual point of view.

This could bring a whole new dimension to the 'rage' :)

keichhor | 22. Juni 2013

That's strange? I only charge at home, but I thought you can't disconnect the charger if the car is locked?

J.T. | 22. Juni 2013

Here's the solution:

www.power12.com

Prevents unauthorized removal fom public chargers.

AmpedRealtor | 22. Juni 2013

If I had a Nissan Leaf, I think I'd have range rage too. Here in Arizona summer and with the A/C on, I'd probably get about 50-60 miles range with the Leaf. That wouldn't get me to work and back. So yes, if I had a Leaf I would definitely be in a constant state of rage. It's only natural that a raging Leaf owner would get upset at your big, beautiful, comfortable Model S that can drive all over the place without needing a charge!

I wonder what Leaf owners must think and feel when they drive past a Tesla supercharger?

Alex K | 22. Juni 2013

@AmpedRealtor | JUNE 22, 2013: If I had a Nissan Leaf, I think I'd have range rage too. Here in Arizona summer and with the A/C on, I'd probably get about 50-60 miles range with the Leaf.

I'm in AZ too (Tucson) and had a Leaf. In the summer it was a 1-trip car. 60-70 miles range was doable. Sometimes we would take another car in the evening, because at 3.3kW charging rate, we didn't have time to wait for it to fill up. Now with the Model S we go to Pinetop (200mi one way) trip and don't need to worry about range anxiety. Charging at our Pinetop home with the HPWC takes about 3.5 hours, so we could just make it a day trip.

AmpedRealtor | 22. Juni 2013

My apologies for being slightly OT...

Is there a network of homeowners with NEMA outlets and/or HPWC connections that publish their contact information anywhere? I think it would be cool to have a "Friends of Tesla" database with a map of homeowners who are volunteering their connections for use by other Tesla owners. That would give us some additional charging options. It would also be a great way to meet other owners!

For instance, I'm going to be getting a HPWC and would like to offer it to other Model S owners who may be in the area or driving through my neck of the woods. Has anyone put something like this together? Or would I register into an existing database like plugshare?

pvetesla | 22. Juni 2013

@jtod I like the product but not sure if I'd rather be unplugged or have my car damaged when they can't.

Alex K | 22. Juni 2013

@AmpedRealtor | JUNE 22, 2013: Is there a network of homeowners with NEMA outlets and/or HPWC connections that publish their contact information anywhere?

Check out http://www.plugshare.com

Velo1 | 22. Juni 2013

I went to the hardware store, bought a Danger High Voltage sign, and wrote on it "Do Not Touch" with a Sharpie market. I hang it around the charger adapter.

Someone asked what happens if they touch it. I just replied please don't, it's revolting.

PapaSmurf | 22. Juni 2013

"I wonder what Leaf owners must think and feel when they drive past a Tesla supercharger?"

If Superchargers are mostly between cities, Leaf owners will never have the opportunity to see a Supercharger.

bt77057 | 22. Juni 2013

This Nissan Leaf "Range Rage" everyone speaks so disdainfully of...you will understand (including myself) when you are at a supercharger waiting for 2 hours or more, when inconsiderate people plug in their Teslas and leave. In our case, you can't even unplug them.

When you have an all Electric, it burns when a plugin hybrid who has anther option, takes up a charger and prevents someone who doesn't have an option. That is the true meaning behind the Nissan Leaf range.

I have run into quite a few people at the Hawthorne supercharger that have experienced being shutout by some people plugged in all day.

Just trying to remind some of you what is really happening...and that you will probably get yours too...as will I

Brian H | 22. Juni 2013

Velo1;
Re-volting? ;p That's a revolting pun.

AmpedRealtor | 22. Juni 2013

*rotfl* @ JamesM

@ bt77057 - I have read reports of inconsiderate owners leaving their cars plugged-in at the superchargers for hours on end. That is just not cool. It's a refill station, not a parking garage! Now that I think about it, prior to reading about the issue I had never even considered it as a possibility. Where is the charging police when you need them? LOL

Docrob | 22. Juni 2013

The simplest way to solve the supercharger overstaying issue without having to police them, bother with fines or add billing capabilities is to adjust the charge software so that if someone stays plugged in mor ether 30 mins after they fill then the supercharger reverses to a super discharged and starts selling your power back to the grid whilst locking you out from supercharging use for three hours so you can't just unplug and plug back in.

AmpedRealtor | 22. Juni 2013

Unfortunately the most that can be done currently is to leave a nasty note on the offending vehicle. With more Model S' rolling off the assembly lines (mine's coming in August) every day, supercharger congestion is going to become an issue and will require some kind of regulating by Tesla.

On a side note... During the battery swap demo, I noticed Elon made a point of saying we should not be calling them "supercharging stations", but instead we should refer to them as "Tesla stations". I thought that was neat.

Fred O | 22. Juni 2013

@JamesM lol

Mark Z | 22. Juni 2013

The SuperCharger at Gilroy or other SC locations where Model S owners park and leave, should have a number of HPWC parking spots where you can park all day and charge.

Tesla Motors could monitor a SuperCharger completion remotely using the vehicle electronics. If all other SuperCharger spaces are filled, then a phone call could be automatically be made to the owners cell phone on file. If the owner fails to move the vehicle, then Tesla Motors could remotely open the vehicle for a nearby (mall, casino, hotel or restaurant) security person to move the vehicle. Towing would not be necessary and the security personnel could handle the infraction as they wish.

If future Tesla Stations have an attendant, then they can handle the problem.

petero | 22. Juni 2013

I have encountered a very inconsiderate "S" owner who left his/her fully charged car in the Newport Beach Tesla store charger for 3 hours past the fully charged point (I was there when in blinked fully charged). You will always find rude, inconsiderate, and selfish "chargers" thankfully they are in the minority.

My approach is slightly different. I put a 8x10 size sign in my windshield when I am charging. It says I am monitoring my charging status on my smart phone and I will unplug and move as soon as I am sufficiently charged. I also leave my cell. phone number so they contact me.

fritzlan | 22. Juni 2013

Hey, the Leaf is an amazing vehicle. And, so are the owners. My wife got ours four months ago and we absolutely adore it (Her name is Electra). I guess you could say that it's a Tesla-lite. We are all part of the EV Revolution.

And we can't wait to add our S 85 to that other parking space In the garage, due in August.

PapaSmurf | 22. Juni 2013

"Unfortunately the most that can be done currently is to leave a nasty note on the offending vehicle. "

and slash their tires. They will figure it out.

PapaSmurf | 22. Juni 2013

"Unfortunately the most that can be done currently is to leave a nasty note on the offending vehicle."

or also key their paint. Maybe leave a message. NO SC 4 U keyed into their paint near the charging port.

highfalutintodd | 22. Juni 2013

The SuperCharger at Gilroy or other SC locations where Model S owners park and leave, should have a number of HPWC parking spots where you can park all day and charge.

Why would you want to park at a supercharger all day?

ian t.wa.us | 23. Juni 2013

On the "lack of charger etiquette" side, I was in a downtown parking garage last week and saw an S parked but not plugged into the charger. Yes, there were open charging spots still, but what a way to give Tesla owners a bad reputation. If you don't need the charge don't park in the EV only charging spot!

I love your idea petero. I should hope everyone figures that one out soon enough.

Cheers!

Nubo | 23. Juni 2013

AmpedRealtor | JUNE 22, 2013
... if I had a Leaf I would definitely be in a constant state of rage. It's only natural that a raging Leaf owner would get upset at your big, beautiful, comfortable Model S that can drive all over the place without needing a charge!

I wonder what Leaf owners must think and feel when they drive past a Tesla supercharger?

As a LEAF owner who is happy with their purchase I can say that we're not all in a state of rage, constant or even intermittent. Driving electric is great and the combination of price and range that suits a need is different for everyone.

I don't begrudge any plug-in the use of a charging station; I only expect that they will have the common decency to unplug and make the station available to others within a reasonable time after their charge is complete.

I admire your Model S, and Tesla's work with the supercharger network and the battery swap program. It doesn't upset (or enrage) me.

GReese | 23. Juni 2013

Some parking spots are designated for EV charging, and some good spots with chargers for EV parking because they are trying to encourage EV use.

TFMethane | 23. Juni 2013

Wow, a lot of replie.

@Nubo, thank you for being diplomatic. My original post was a bit tongue in cheek. I'm sure many Leaf owners are happy and considerate like you. Human nature, though: some people feel the need to judge everyone else's behavior, and some of those people feel the need to go around regulating and punishing other's behavior.

Since EV owners have their share or more of self-righteous types, I'm sure your diplomacy doesn't speak for All leaf owners.

@frontman, thanks for the link. That thing is awesome, and so obvious. Tesla should include one of those as standard equipment with the mobile charge cable.

@JamesM, your comment is the real reason I stopped using public chargers. My last car got keyed a month after I bought it.. never again, I said

sftesla | 23. Juni 2013

I plug my car into a public charger at the garage near my office in San Francisco. Since I don't come back to the car until the end of the day, the car is usually sitting there fully charged for hours. On occasion, someone unplugs me so that they can charge. I don't have an issue with as long as I wasn't unplugged early. You can tell from the display on the Chargepoint charger if the car is done charging.

It's interesting to hear about range range. I haven't seen that yet from any Leaf owners, and it's the most common car in the EV spots in that garage. In fact, the only times I have been unplugged have been from Volt owners. There are also a surprising number of Telsas there every day. So far, everyone seems to be living in harmony in that garage.

michael1800 | 23. Juni 2013

Just wait until the internet arrives!

docdac | 24. Juni 2013

The idea of 'keying' someone's car over a SC etiquette issue is not really that funny, assuming it was intended in jest.

J.T. | 24. Juni 2013

@docrob Many a truth is told in jest.

RonaldA | 24. Juni 2013

Lets all be considerate until enough chargers are on line to meet demand.

TFMethane | 25. Juni 2013

@RonaldA

Nice sentiment. The problem I see is that we don't have to actually look each other in the face to have these arguments. One of these days, somebody is going to come back to their car and catch somebody unplugging or keying, and you're going to have a serious incident. It will get on the news, just like Road Rage did. No idea how it will affect the EV culture... all I know is this communal hippie-dippie way we all treat each other will disappear if demand outstrips supply. How long did it take after Sandy for people in gas lines on the east coast to break out in fights?

TFMethane | 25. Juni 2013

Tesla is the answer to that problem, by the way... bigger batteries obviates the constant need for public chargers.

rdalcanto | 25. Juni 2013

I have never used a public charger. Are they free? Public chargers should only be used to get you home. To ensure that that happens, it should cost more to charge at a public charger than it costs you to charge at home. Otherwise, just like every government program or handout, it will be abused, and those that really need a charge to get home, won't be able to get access.

PaceyWhitter | 25. Juni 2013

@rdalcato

"public charger" is a misnomer, they are not paid for by tax dollars (although sometimes there are incentives).

Some stores place charging facilities in their parking lots to encourage EV owners to visit. They figure if they are going to be there for a while to get a charge, they are going to buy merchandise.

GReese | 25. Juni 2013

The ChargePoint chargers are definitely more expensive than at home. I've charged away from home only once just to try it out.