Range Extender

Range Extender

Are there plans to offer a range extender motor option?

Timo | 04. Oktober 2010

No, and there will not be any ever. Putting an generator in EV is basically waste of space, weight and it makes things break down. You lose all the benefits of BEV.

2ring | 05. Oktober 2010

Thanks for the reply. I travel long distances a few times a month, so I'm really concerned with range. I can't imagine that putting a generator in destroys all the benefits of an electric vehicle; larger battery packs create more weight. Until there are charging stations on every street corner and charging times are dramatically reduced, there doesn't seem to be any other reasonable solution other than a generator over the next 10 years or so.

Timo | 05. Oktober 2010

Make that five years tops for longer trips. There are already prototype batteries that have over double the energy density of current generation batteries and that means over 600 mile ranges with single charge. With that big range you need to charge very very rarely on-road, and only a few fast L3 chargers in your way from point A to point B is enough to serve everybody. It also looks like charger infrastructure is developing _fast_. Way faster than I expected. With Model S lifetime you get very soon in situation where generator would be just big waste of space even that it could be useful _just now_. This car has future, and is probably useful design still after 10-20 or so years, hybrids are only transitional cars.

With L3 charger you can charge when you take a break from driving and eat lunch or something. With high power L3 charger it would take less than two hours to charge for another full 600 miles.

ICE breaks easily. There are all kinds of pumps, plumbing, belts, fluids, filters, and in general a lot moving parts that do not exist in pure BEV. It needs a lot more servicing and it requires that you go to gas-station every now and then even if you don't even use that generator (gasoline doesn't stay usable very long). It also is a big lump of weight to lug around compared to similar performance emotor, within few years that weight difference turns in favor of EV.

BTW how long is "long distance" in your case? I suggest that you buy new PHEV Prius if you need a useful reasonable priced hybrid. Or any car that keeps its value. Then sell it and buy Model S (or whatever is practical to you) when you have those chargers. I'm in your situation too, I need bigger range or chargers. I hope that there are chargers in a way by 2013 when I can buy Model S (and I hope it doesn't get our ridiculous car taxes so that I can actually afford to buy it).

2ring | 05. Oktober 2010

I live in the Boston area and travel down to NYC / NJ area (275 miles). I'm not sure where you live but the northeast utilities are only talking about charging stations at the moment, so I'm worried that the charging infrastructure won't be there in a few years, utilities don't move very fast. I really like the Tesla Model S but I'm leaning towards the Karma at the moment for the following reasons.

1) The car will be out soon (I'll believe it when I see it though, reminds me of Boeing's rollout of the 787 dreamliner) I'd like to replace my BMW 7 Series with an EV, ideally sometime over the next year or so.

2) Range generator (outside of my trips to NYC / NJ area) I travel less than 40 miles a day, however, I'd like to go up to Maine for the weekend without having to worry about where I'm going to plug-in my car. I cant imagine AAA is going to come out and give me a quick charge if my charge runs out in Maine. I'm confident battery technology will advance greatly within the next 5+ years but I'm thinking a little more near term.

Timo | 05. Oktober 2010

Model S has 300 mile version. That should be enough for you. You just need a charger for your destination. I need approx 450 mile range, so that is not an option to me unless there is on-road chargers in a way.

Model S will be in production somewhere mid-2012, not next year. What I read the 300mile version might be a bit later (different battery chemistry).

That's AFAIK. No confirmed facts (except that 300 mile range).

Ishiwago | 07. Oktober 2010

somewhat i read that it was next year too, by mid/end next year they will start rolling out the luxury models, and achieve their 20k-modelS-sold-per-year target by mid/end 2012

joel.arnold | 22. April 2014

There seems to be a perfect prototype of some range-extender that seems to have been created for the front trunk.
KSPG range extender
Cheap and useful

jchangyy | 22. April 2014

Hmm... I would buy it for my MS, if it could be in a modular form, where I would just use it for longer trips where I have no good options for charging (maybe, fit it in the frank?)

Neech | 22. April 2014

No thanks. Range extender means smaller battery to offset the added weight of the ICE, which would mean less electric range and more gas usage. I have gotten over my dependence to oil/gas and never want to go back.

joel.arnold | 22. April 2014

I personally like the concept of plug-in vehicles with range-extender. For me and right now, that is the only way I can imagine having an EV as only family car(although I don't particularly like the chevy volt).

This is based on few simple facts:
- 95 % of my driving is for commuting and therefore a 40kw battery would be more than sufficient.
- This ice is far lighter than the equivalent battery (and smaller)
- For ideological purposes You could imagine that the few trips on fuel could be done with renewable fuels
-And finally this option is cheaper and helps out when there's no where to plug in.

ir | 22. April 2014

No plans for burning gas in any Tesla vehicle. It is pretty clear their mission is to make BEVs:

Brian H | 22. April 2014

Wotsa "frank"? A wiener?

Flaninacupboard | 23. April 2014

30kw on the KSPG unit is probably about right for the Nissan Leaf (an easy 80mph on level ground), but it's probably a little small for the Model S. | 23. April 2014

@2ring, Just go buy an ICE, BEV is not for you

jchangyy | 23. April 2014's the new frunk...that will accommodate a modular form of range extender. Frunk + engine = frank.

Paolobxl | 03. November 2014

I falled in love of the Tesla model S, but only a range extender that you may rent would convince me to buy this jewel of technology. 3-4 times a year I have to traverse Europe, 1300 km than I currently do with a Diesel and a single 30' stop that I decide based on my conditions: 10 hours with little traffic, over 200km/h in Germany, where allowed. But with a Tesla, if I woul have to stop 3-4 times, hope superchargers are on the right path, so these trips would become really tiring. So, having the possibility of renting a range extender, for these specific situations, would make me opt for a Tesla, as my next car, instead of a complex, traditional hybrid. Or I will have to wait until my following car, in 8-10 years...

sperber53 | 03. November 2014


Just rent a car if it really only 3-4 times.

mgboyes | 03. November 2014

Tesla has been very clear that hell will freeze over before they build a hybrid of any kind.

It's great that you're interested in electric vehicles, but if you need a range-extended plugin you need to look to another manufacturer.

Best of luck.

mjt.private | 03. November 2014

@Paolobxl I think you are being optimistic about what a range extender will give you. Implementations I am aware of currently give you just another 100 miles or so. They don't turn your BEV into an ICE.

I'd ask yourself a few questions too:

- Why am I doing these long road trips? is there another technology that would save even more carbon - like a video conference?

- Does a few extra hours / coffee+cake every 200+ miles really a trip untenable? Or more relaxed and safer?

To be frank, 10 hours with a single 30' stop is how to kill people in a catastrophe accident. Your body needs movement to circulate the blood and to keep alert.

Tesltoronto | 03. November 2014

Though I would like a longer range and more Superchargers, no range extenders in my MS please. If I need a range extender, I would buy a hybrid.

tes-s | 03. November 2014

Just rent a car if it really only 3-4 times.

Or consider a flying?

amatiych | 03. November 2014

Boston to NYC seems like an easy trip with 3 supercharges on I95

lmorelli | 03. November 2014

This is a 2010 thread that everyone is responding too. Funny because my first trip that required a Supercharger was from SW CT to Boston. Just did CT to VA. Newark, DE really needs more than four stalls. Was full when I arrived but luckily someone left a couple minutes after I got there.

lmorelli | 03. November 2014

"to which everyone is responding." That correction us for Brian H!

hamer | 03. November 2014

You could pull a trailer with a fan which turns a generator.

DTsea | 03. November 2014

Hamer hah hah that's funny... Drain your battery faster and harvest a fraction back, good one

Brian H | 03. November 2014

"us for"? Actually, no ending prepositions is for Latin, not relevant to English. Up with them I will gladly put.

hamer | 03. November 2014

Seems like someone proposes that every month or two

hpjtv | 03. November 2014

@Paolobxl "I falled in love of the...", I fell in... or I have fallen...