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Reverse Camera Guidelines Not Quite Right

Reverse Camera Guidelines Not Quite Right

Finally, reverse camera guidelines have been added to the latest software! Too bad the implementation is not quite right.

ISSUES
* guides are wimpy and barely noticeable
* guides are grey in night mode and blend perfectly with the concrete when I'm backing out of my garage.
* guide placements are narrower than my car so I can't use the screen to backup into a parking spot with cars on both sides.

WHAT WAS DONE RIGHT
* guides only show when car is in reverse

RECOMMENDATIONS
* yellow predictive guides would be easier to see (as with many other reverse camera systems).
* in addition to the predictive guides, stationary guides with distance markers (at actual car width) are needed to make the predictive guides more useful

I look forward to the improvements.

Captain_Zap | 25. Januar 2015

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swebb | 25. Januar 2015

First let me say I think this upgrade has been a long time coming and while not as useful as the "Name your Car" option I welcome the fact Tesla has finally given us backup lines.

Now for the bad.... from the screen shots I've seen I have to agree that they look less than ideal.
I heard they wanted to keep the minimalist look but these look like the very first beta test.

My kids civic has better graphics.

sbeggs | 25. Januar 2015

Returned to San Diego after one month in northern VA. Tried out back up lines for first time this morning; very easy to use, even though they look unsophisticated, they did the job. I was able to back into parking spaces at Hillcrest outdoor market as well as in tight underground parking structure between car and concrete post.

Will try parallel parking using lines next!

Oh, the rear camera shots make it appear that the car behind you is pretty far away. Only by looking at parking sensor yellow or red curves can you properly assure yourself that you are not going to touch the other car's bumper.

Brian H | 25. Januar 2015

Since the h/w is not designed for this overlay, they probably had to settle for a somewhat crude s/w emulation. Hence the clunky lines.

SCCRENDO | 25. Januar 2015

Tried them today. Have never used this kind of thing before so not a big deal to me. Seemed pretty good to me.

AmpedRealtor | 25. Januar 2015

The Tegra chipset in the Model S is very capable of handling a simple graphic overlay on top of a video that is also digital data. You'll notice that Tesla redesigned how the video is shown. Previously it was in a static frame, but now it appears in a popup box that can be dismissed by hitting the circle-X. It was a software issue for Tesla and how it was handling the video, nothing more. The hardware is more than capable and is limited only by the software that runs on it.

diegoPasadena | 25. Januar 2015

I like to focus on the fact that they are *guide* lines. I still have to do the fine aiming and use the mirrors, if it's really tight. They just make that a little easier. I'm not sure they could and should aim to be a fail-proof system upon which we can rely blindly (so to speak). As with all driving aids, I enjoy the help, but I'm a bit worried about handing too much control to the technology. I still want to be the driver.

teslaliving | 25. Januar 2015

I never had backup lines on any car before and while I wasn't waiting on these I really like them as they are.

DTsea | 25. Januar 2015

I think they are fine as is

graham.simmonds | 25. Januar 2015

When I heard that Tesla had put guide lines I thought thank goodness at least I don't have to keep reading about people going on about them. Now they are not good enough?

Personally I am never going to trust guidelines because I use side mirrors. After all I will be driving a £100,000 car and after 35 years of driving I do not need them. I will only use the camera to check for obstructions.

DTsea | 26. Januar 2015

Graham, they are great for parallel parking... avoiding wheel contact with curb.

proven | 26. Januar 2015

I personally like the minimalist look as it doesn't detract from the rest of the image. Some of the overlays I've had in other cars are huge and unnecessary.

Also, the lines are not the edge of the car, they are where the wheels line up. I don't see how that makes backing up into a spot difficult as you can line them up between the lines on the ground perfectly (or evenly between the two cars on either side).

sule | 26. Januar 2015

Well, I got them yesterday. Still experimenting and learning to use them to achieve precision I have with just the mirrors but they are helpful already as they are during the initial approach.

JAD | 26. Januar 2015

To me, they don't look as fancy as others but work well. My truck has them along with distance blocks that cover up most of what you are trying to see. Really annoying when hooking up a trailer, more is not always better.

sule | 26. Januar 2015

Bit of info: guideline width represents about about 3 inches on the ground. They are not drawn at high frame rates, there is some delay after steering before they are redrawn. I cannot use them alone for my precise parking purposes (within 5mm of target) but they are a great aid for the approach.

carolinagobo | 26. Januar 2015

Yellow color would be nice but I have to say they are accurate for parking. I tested in my condo coming from diferent angles and the lines worked very well. thank you Tesla

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 26. Januar 2015

Work great at back in S. chargers and backing into angle parking and parallel parking. No hurry to see any change. Yellow color Might be an improvement.

Webcrawler | 26. Januar 2015

Works great for me... Very accurate...

Haggy | 26. Januar 2015

I tried in a number of scenarios, took pictures and then got out and took pictures of where the car/wheels were. In once case, the lines were straight and one of them was exactly on a driveway seam. I got out and the tire extended perhaps an inch or two past that seam.

In other cases where I saw a curve while parallel parking, I got out and found the line just about exactly in the middle of where the tire was. After I was in the space and the lines were straight again, the line was closer to the outside edge of the tire but still with a few inches of tire to the side. In all cases, I used the right line as a reference.

For parallel parking, as a rule of thumb I will assume that I want the line to look about 8 inches or so from the curb when backing into a space. I'll have to be a bit more conservative and check each time I finish parking so I can refine it over time. I'll be well within the legal limits even with a conservative estimate.

akikiki | 26. Januar 2015

Tesla, Thank you for the reverse back up guidelines.
Model S keeps getting better.

noel.smyth | 26. Januar 2015

I love them. they seem very accurate to where the tires will be. Helps me to not hit a curb when parallel parking...good job!

Brian H | 27. Januar 2015

Yeah, if the lines overlap the curb, you're aimed wrong!

Tesltoronto | 27. Januar 2015

Almost all the other cars have guidelines that cover the width of the car.

In the MS, the guidelines indicate your tire path - not the width of the vehicle itself. Once you realize that, it is very helpful.

ChopinBlues | 27. Januar 2015

They work great for backing into SuperCharger stalls -- tried this out yesterday, and my car was perfectly centered in the stall -- much easier than user the mirrors -- kudos to Tesla!

JPPTM | 27. Januar 2015

So far I like them a lot--I am not looking for millimeter accuracy, but a helpful tool in conjunction with the tilting outside rear view mirrors. No complaints--and an upgrade to my May 2013 S85 (...which keeps getting better).

mikefa | 28. Januar 2015

Yes the reverse guidelines can use some improvements such as better night visibility and longer guidelines, but i am absolutely thrilled Tesla has been able to add this feature without any additional hardware as i was convinced by many earlier forum techies that additional hardware harness need to be added to the steering mechanism in order for the guidelines to curve and synchronize with the steering. Those Tesla software engineers are really under appreciated.

AmpedRealtor | 28. Januar 2015

I don't think Tesla ever really planned for this feature and added it to make owners happy. If they had planned for this from the beginning, there would almost certainly have been a more robust implementation with a greater focus on accuracy. Tesla appears to have done the very bare minimum to make this feature useful. With that said, I appreciate the feature.

DTsea | 28. Januar 2015

Amped, why do you say it is bare minimum?

AmpedRealtor | 28. Januar 2015

I can't think of anything more minimal than two lines on a screen. There are other things Tesla could have done to make the feature more useful as others have pointed out.

DTsea | 28. Januar 2015

Really?

Minimal would have been lunes that dont move with the wheel like in another of my cars.

Personally i like the low clutter.

Haggy | 28. Januar 2015

I've had green/yellow/red straight lines delimiting the width of the car and telling distance, plus curving lines that disappeared when they coincided with the g/y/r lines. It gave a good indication of when I was backing straight, or how much deviation there was relative to straight. I would think that the curve part would be most of the work and the static lines would be easy.

Andrew_OH_70D | 28. Januar 2015

This is a very interesting thread, as we are all so accustomed to receiving software updates and new features for our Model S, just like our iPhones. It is a big competitive advantage to have the ability to push new features out to the installed base to further delight your customers.

seanjphillips | 18. Februar 2015

Tesla might as well have not pushed this feature out because it looks amateur at best. This doesn't make or break my overall Tesla experience, but I'm extremely disappointed in them for this one. The industry standard for this feature is much more color and robust and truly serves as a useful guide for drivers. C'mon Tesla...for all this money we paid, you gotta do better. Did you guys even look at how it looks on other cars? SMH!!!

jordanrichard | 18. Februar 2015

For those complaining about the accuracy of the lines, how on earth have you managed to back your car up so far.......

In have seen in pictures and commercials other car's back up lines and what a mess. there appears to be one set and color of lines presumably marking the width of the car. Then there are lines for the tires and then another where the car is heading. The lines are all angular versus Tesla's which are curved just as the direction of the car will be. I have also found that sometimes the Tesla lines are gray and other times they are white. So it literally appears that the color of the lines is ambient light dependent.

Dnbigd | 18. Februar 2015

Man, it's hard to please some. I personally like the simplicity of the lines in keeping with the minimalist theme. And they're a big help in backing out of my drive. It was a FREE add-on and download!

AmpedRealtor | 18. Februar 2015

I will admit, sometimes it seems like the people at Tesla have never driven other cars.

Captain_Zap | 18. Februar 2015

Less is more in my book. Even though they are minimally invasive, I catch myself looking at them instead of what I really should be looking at.

pnajar | 18. Februar 2015

@JordanRichard
Most of us have driven without back up cameras and lines. However when there is a better way why not demand the best execution of that tool?

georgehawley.fl.us | 18. Februar 2015

Lines work for me. Honda Oddysey has cross lines that tell you about how far you are away from obstacles. I liked that but a Tesla tells me how many inches of space that I have all around. I like that better.

Sam_S | 18. Februar 2015

I don't think 'Less is More' is what they had in mind when they designed the 17" monitor in the center of the dash.

I think the backup lines are weak sauce and could use some improvement.

tezzla.SoCal | 18. Februar 2015

Where there's a ying, there's a yang.

jordanrichard | 18. Februar 2015

"Best execution" is subjective as illustrated by the varying opinions put forth in this thread.

Just about everyone praises the simplicity of Tesla brakes. Meaning, they are just that, hydraulic brakes. Tesla took the simple straight forward approach versus all the hybrids and other EV. They all tied their regeneration systems into the brakes, why?

It is also very easy to figure out how close one's bumper is to something when backing up. Since the view through the camera is fish eyed and misleads distances, then learn what the real distance is. The first time I backed my car up to a SC using the camera, I stopped too far away. So I got back in and moved it back a bit more. The point is, I learned that if I line up the edge of the rear bumper seen in camera, with the edge of the curb, I am 6 inches away from the curb.

GAGSTESLA | 18. Februar 2015

Count me in the "happy" camp. I like less, probably why I love the interior and the no cup holders, coat hooks, etc.

Jolinar | 18. Februar 2015

I also like the simple look of the guidlines, but I understand that some people prefer guildlines to show actual width of the car and other prefer guidlines to show side of the wheels.
This is endless debate, but it could be resolved with Tesla software over-the-air update so that we could choose somewhere in settings, which one is displayed.

garygid | 18. Februar 2015

I thing that these simple guidelines are a big help, much
better than nothing. Thanks, Tesla for the good work.

Remember, Tesla needs to save some improvements for
future upgrades, to help feed and satisfy "the hunger"...
for more.

Brian H | 18. Februar 2015

Buncha whiners. TM originally thought they were impossible; someone came up with this method and got paid "a lot of money" for it.

dglauz | 18. Februar 2015

I drove a rental ford with backup camera and lines. The screen was so small as to be virtually useless with the lines covering the image.

I like the simple WHITE (or grey) lines. yellow would detract, in my opinion.

BTW, my backing into parking spaces using the lines is a bit worse than without. Although I like the lines anyway. I have an old pre-sensor car, so to judge distance, it is camera and mirrors only.

buickguy | 18. Februar 2015

At first, I was skeptical of the lines. Now I like them a lot. Very handy. White is fine, however, I live in a part of California that never gets snow, so you'd figure I would say that white is fine.

NKYTA | 18. Februar 2015

Like'em too.

sule | 18. Februar 2015

They are useful. No colour needed, they are visible in snow too due to the black outline. Colour is not what makes them good or useful. I only wish they would (also?) show the extent of the car.

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