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Tesla Model S = the best-selling car in Norway!

Tesla Model S = the best-selling car in Norway!

With a market share of 6.1% it out-sold the VW Golf (4,9%) and the Mazda CX-4 (4,2%) for the period 01.09 - 09.09.

That is pretty amazing! :-) Congratulations Tesla!

Source:

www.bilnorge.no

Brian H | 17. September 2013

A large winter high parked over the country will change your mind about depending on wind power. Its entire output will have to be backed up by weather-immune plants. Therefore the wind capacity is 100% extra cost.

Volleyguy | 17. September 2013

Yes Brian wind may have to be backed up for us to live a modern life. I just do not get why having a fossil fuel "back up" is such a bad thing? Utility size energy storage is needed for sure. Many people have back up fossil fuel generators at their house but when it is utility size people think that is crazy just burn the fossil fuel. We are not burning coal to to the cost of fuel.

There is a Netflix documentary called Petroplois on the Canadian tar sands. They do not say a thing which is good. You make your own mind up they just fly over them.

They do say a little blurb about only using 3% of the resource that is available. So we are nowhere near running out of oil. The stone age did not end due to lack of stones.

I think most people who are buying a Tesla are using a fossil fuel car as a back up. This does not mean they should not buy a Tesla. It is a transition. It is a fossil fuel advertising campaign. Don't use wind and solar you need fossil fuel back up to be counted on which is true, don't buy a Tesla you need a ICE to back it up which is true.

I think the fossil fuel industry does not like going from being main supplier of fuel to "back up" who would? You are being told you are on the way out.

The cost of marginal oil production is unbelievable when you see the effort to turn dirt into liquid fuel. So not only are the tar sands dirty like coal they are crazy expensive.

Fossil fuels have no doubt an inherent advantage of being used on demand that of course wind will never have or solar.

Is it a bad thing to have fossil fuel back up generation for emergencies?

We are going to see a Country, Norway put oil as a back up fuel source for transportation going into decline.

What happens when the Model X and E hit Norway plus all the competition?

Brian H | 17. September 2013

Fossil fuel back-up is a "bad thing" because you only have/get to use it sometimes (ramp up/down), which is both far more expensive, and often harmful to the equipment. Sometimes it can't even be done fast enough! So instead of a known conventional plant cost, you have significantly boosted conventional cost, PLUS the full renewables cost!! For (maybe) the same output. A very expensive luxury.

And the CO2 bugbear is bogus in the first place, so it's entirely unnecessary. Note that Germany is replacing its cancelled fission plants with brown coal plants, and Spain, Czech Republic, Poland and others are cancelling or ramping back all renewables subsidies, UK soon to follow -- because economics just aren't there. Denmark has the highest % of windpower, and the highest electric rates -- not coincidentally.

Norway has hydro power up the kazoo and a trillion-dollar accumulated surplus budget to play with. Wind power etc. is just fooling around, for them. But if you depend on it, you're going to be shafted.

Hijan | 17. September 2013
GeirT | 17. September 2013

@ Brian H

+1 Spot on!

Volleyguy | 17. September 2013

"Fossil fuel back-up is a "bad thing" because you only have/get to use it sometimes (ramp up/down), which is both far more expensive, and often harmful to the equipment".

We do it every day here? The Nat gas use goes up and down as the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine. Coal is not expensive due to the fuel cost.

Electricity demand by nature goes up and down?

Is Germany not going to coal it in essence have more variable electricity only to produce more renewable right or wrong. These are industries now...

Now wind is less than 10% of our total pie. (Nuclear is the big one) If it was a very big number I can see more problems.

It is inevitable we are going to have large scale back-up compressed air or water or something.

NYC Realtor | 17. September 2013

To get back to the thread:
Do you all think that we can draw a conclusion from these Norwegian sales figures to indicate what will happen when they start delivering in the rest of Europe? Any guess?

GeirT | 17. September 2013

@ NYC Realtor

My guess is that Norway is atypical as the financial incentive is so exceptional (no taxes, fees or VAT) that it will be difficult to see the same kind of adoption in the other countries. There is a significant EV interest in Europe of course. The degree of adoption I think will be very much related to the network of SCs. TM has announced an ambitions program throughout. But to see 5-10% MS or Gen III I believe is not realistic. Remember there are a good number of car producers in EU that also has an EV line-up. Mercedes for one and they use the TM drivetrain and battery technology.

But I have been wrong before....

Volleyguy | 17. September 2013

To keeping to this thread in Ontario we have an easy 4,000 mwh of unused at night electricity. How many Tesla's does a megawatt charge at night. By this meaning Norway will have incentive for EV till unused power is used

eikrokei | 17. September 2013

Norway's power supply is over 99% hydropower, hydropower can be adjusted fast enough that there's no unused night electricity. There is however the possibility of importing unused german electricity during the night, this is mostly coal power that cannot be adjusted quickly enough. Curious to consider that the most environmentally friendly way to charge my Model S may be with coal power, seeing as how it already exists and might as well be used, thus freeing up hydro power for export to Germany during the day. Would also leave a tidy profit for my power company, coal power during the night is essentially free, but the hydro power can be sold at peak rates.

Benz | 17. September 2013

@Volleyguy

If you would 50 kWh in a Model S (on average), then it would take 1 mWh to charge 20 Model Ses.

Benz | 17. September 2013

Back on track:

Up to September 16th 2013 there have been 511 registrations of a Model S in Norway. That's great.

TS | 17. September 2013

@Tes-s

I think Norway actually will profit on the "Tesla invation" in short term.
Tesla Motors are creating jobs by opening and running servicecenter, Stores and SuperChargers = more income tax
Less polloution meens reduced medisin expences (Paid by goverment for Astma etc)
Many of todays Model S buyers would not choose to buy another new car in the same price segment. I think the average S buyer today would buy or still drive a two year old 2.0L Diesel from BMW , Toyota Audi or VW
(New price about 80K$, used appr 60k $ )

In the long term there must be added 25% VAT and some other tax, but not before 2017 as mentioned above.

Brian H | 17. September 2013

elkrokei;
Denmark often needs to pay other countries to take its excess windpower. Easy pickin's for Norway ...

Benz | 18. September 2013

In Europe all these countries should discuss with each other how to deal with all that excess power. Maybe they can think of an efficient solution from which all can benefit?

Volleyguy | 18. September 2013

Brian and Benz
That is what I mean we always have our electricity at night to very early morning. The time when we pay the U.S. to take the electricity off our hands.

This is what I mean a million Tesla's charging when there is no demand is way to store excess energy.

Volleyguy | 18. September 2013

Take Denmark for example a pile of Tesla's charging at night when there is no demand for the wind energy that just keeps coming will be a good thing.

This meaning what are the sales potential of Tesla?

A Megawatt is 1,000 kw. By my calculation a Tesla charges at 10kw/h. So every 100 Tesla's charging is a Megawatt? In Ontario we have AT LEAST 4,000 Megawatt drop in demand EVERY night.

So if we had 400,000 Tesla Model S's with 85kw bateries that were completely dead EVERY day this would be easy. The reality is most people do not drive 500km's a day. We are shutting down Nuclear reactors and paying windmills to stop.

The reality is an average drive per day would be 100km's. So we could have AT LEAST 2 million Tesla's here and the grid would be in much better shape!

So that is 100 years Tesla's current production just for Ontario! To make the grid more stable.

Benz | 18. September 2013

You guys and girls in Ontario should make all transportation electric in order to be able to consume all that energy.

Benz | 18. September 2013

Something that consumes a lot of electricity, that's what you need.

Volleyguy | 18. September 2013

Benz I bet we are not far off Denmark.

A Tesla charged at night is just what the doctor ordered.

Just today in my home town was the unveiling of a free Level II Charger owned by Sun County. (I think 90 amp)(oddly enough listed as the most powerful charger in the world like they had not even heard of a Tesla SC?)

They had a Tesla roadster there that the Vice President owns.

We need a few million Tesla's and the sooner the better.

Volleyguy | 18. September 2013

You see the time from 2am to 5 am that is when rates go negative.

http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/siteShared/demand_price.asp?sid=ic

Volleyguy | 18. September 2013

Benz until a week ago they used to go a lot more negative until we started paying wind and Nuclear "not" to produce.

Benz | 19. September 2013

@Volleyguy

I just got a great idea. Very simpel and effective (I think).

Tell your government to make a deal with Tesla Motors for 1,000 Model Ses (you just might get some discount). The people who cannot afford to buy a Model S, then could get a chance to rent a Model S from your government at a very cheap rate, because there will not be any profit making involved. Everybody happy (I think).

Tell me what you think of my idea.

Benz | 19. September 2013

@Volleyguy

Instead of paying the US to take your electricity, your government should better invest all that money in buying a large number of Tesla Model Ses (at least 1,000) and let the people use these Tesla Model Ses for a real cheap price. So, instead of giving the money to the US, they better give it to their own inhabitants, let them enjoy the benefit. That's the bottom line of my idea.

Benz | 19. September 2013

Heck, why not buy 10,000 Tesla Model Ses (this will surely give your government a much higher discount)?

Benz | 20. September 2013

Will there be an article about the number of Tesla Model S registrations in Norway in the third week of September as well (just like the first and second week of September)?

Benz | 21. September 2013

Bump

Notre | 21. September 2013

Not yet, but maybe you will enjoy his while you wait:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=no...

Brian H | 21. September 2013

Here's a linked article about using the 2-person Think as taxis in Oslo: http://elbil.no/elbilfakta/okonomi/320-to-ar-med-eltaxi.

They mention some fares appreciate the excuse to ditch a clingy Insignificant Other at the end of a date!

Benz | 22. September 2013

Just like in the past two weeks, I expect to see in the coming few days an article about the sales figures of the third week of September 2013. Please post them in this thread again. Thanks

Benz | 23. September 2013

Bump

Fredlambert | 23. September 2013

I would also be interested to see last week numbers if any of our Norwegians friends happen to come across the registrations stats.

Benz | 23. September 2013

@Fredlambert

Last week we saw that the weekly sales figures in Norway were posted on Tuesday. So, maybe we will see some news tomorrow?

Benz | 24. September 2013

No news article yet.

Fredlambert | 24. September 2013

@benz let's hope so.

Benz | 24. September 2013

No news has been posted yet, but I would guess that at least 150 more Model Ses were registered in Norway in the third week of September.

Benz | 26. September 2013

At the rate of 150 Model S deliveries per week in Norway, most of the Norwegian reservations back-log will have been delivered before the start of 2014, I think.

SHY | 26. September 2013

It will be very interesting to see how this goes. Lets just hope the politicians keep their cool and keep'em free of taxes for many years still to come! If they do we will be the 1st country in the world with more EV than ICE cars... I see even "worker cars" (small vans) are coming as EVs now...

Btw I must say I like the glass wall in the Tesla store where you can see into the workshop. Looks like a mint Ferrari workshop, cool! :-)

Benz | 27. September 2013

No news yet about the Tesla Model S sales figures in the third week of September in Norway.

Benz | 27. September 2013

Monthly registration figures of several models will be revealed in the first/second week of October.

Car-El | 27. September 2013

@Benz
News sells only ones or twise... 3 times NO! (Report 1 week and 2 week... 3 week it is no news.)

Benz | 30. September 2013

@Julius

Please allow me to disagree with you on this. News is subjective to us all (any news). Meaning that each person must deside for himself or herself if something should be considered as news or not.

By the way, soon we will see the monthly sales figures of September 2013. Now that is really going to be some good news. You can bet on it.

jkirkebo | 30. September 2013

Benz: I heard Tesla are getting 100-150 new order per week in Norway now so I don't expect to see the backlog disappear any time soon.

Tomorrow or the day after we will get the monthly sales figures.

Benz | 30. September 2013

@jkirkbo

Wow, that is a huge number of new orders per week in Norway. That would mean that the annual sales figure of the Tesla Model S in Norway will be more than 5,000 !!!

Are you sure that it's 100-150 new orders per WEEK (maybe it's per month). Check again please.

Benz | 01. Oktober 2013

You can share any news you find in the media regarding the Tesla Model S here in this thread.

mario.kadastik | 01. Oktober 2013

Well it took only 2 weeks, but here in Estonia the Model S being best selling car in Norway for the first two weeks broke the news as well finally yesterday. There are a ton of naysayers in the comments section of course, but also some people are surprised how good the car looks and want it. I've tried to defend Tesla honors by refuting myths (battery life, winter driving etc) without actually having gotten my own MS and giving helpful hints to those interested in how I bought mine (well ordered anyway, still waiting for delivery). I'll report anything new, but I think we'll hear from the Norwegians weeks before news here picks it up ;)

petmoell | 01. Oktober 2013

Totalts for september car registrations in Norway is published.
With the 160(?) or so Teslas registered in August Tesla has delivered almost all of the 800 Elon said in las Quartely presentation they expected to deliver in Norway in all of 2013. As I suspected this was a gross understatement aimed at keeping down the expectations prior to next Quarterly report. Further Tesla has opened a second store in Oslo! Reservations are minimum 100 per week according to a rep...

I sold my stock yesterday - maybe too soon?

1. Tesla Model S: 616 cars, 5,1 prosent

2. Volkswagen Golf: 561 cars, 4,6 prosent

3. Toyota Auris: 511 cars, 4,2 prosent

4. Skoda Octavia: 444 cars, 3,6 prosent

5. Mazda CX-5: 421 cars, 3,5 prosent

6. Volvo V40: 373 cars, 3,1 prosent

7. Nissan Leaf: 349 cars, 2,9 prosent

8. Toyota RAV4: 312 cars, 2,6 prosent

9. Toyota Yaris: 297 cars, 2,4 prosent

10. Volkswagen Tiguan: 294 cars, 2,4 prosent

Benz | 01. Oktober 2013

@petmoell

Great news, thanks for posting. What is the source of this info? Any link?

eikrokei | 01. Oktober 2013
mario.kadastik | 01. Oktober 2013

@petmoell: definitely sold too soon :) I'd have waited at least past the Q3 earnings call in early November as TSLA will rocket past 200 then for sure. But you can still get back in :p

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