OK, this is pretty damn funny to see.
Sure, now he likes Tesla. I say forget Texas. That is THE oil state and not a very green state.
Per a Perry white house bid, "Read my lips, no new Texans".
I was surprised by the number of Teslas I saw in the streets and on the highways of Dallas when I visited last week.
Came to think of the oil nation Norway, where Tesla is the most sold car.
Good taste in Tesla's. Gray on gray with 21's. Something about, when in Rome, comes to mind when I see that picture.
"Tooling." How appropriate.
Taking the best of Texas and the best of California would give us the best in America. To assume that neither has something valuable to share with the other is arrogant folly.
jjs: Agreed. I've always preferred to focus on the best of both.
What is the best of Texas??
cberman. Having lived there, I can't think of anything.
Well, there are lots of strapping cowboys around. Of course, they may not appreciate hearing that coming from an "alchoholic" like me.... ;-)
While not generally a fan, his point is well-taken. For example, his success in luring businesses to TX is going to eventually force Sacramento to reconsider the business climate in the state.
omar. What businesses has TX lured from CA?
@Cyberman - The best of Texas is:
Lance Armstrong - oh no, wait check that, he cheated.
Roger Clemens - oh no, wait check that, he cheated, too.
I know, my daughters were both born in Plano, TX, and Texas has some of the most beautiful women.
"Tooling" is right
This guy cracks me up, shows up like a he owns the place in a car you can't buy in his state and wants the batteries to be built there??? Tooling indeed!
To me, the best of Texas is the wide expanse of land. I really, truly enjoy driving through it. Yes, I know the words, "Are we there yet?" were probably first stated somewhere in Texas, but I don't mind it one bit. It's a lot greener there than most people realize. They sort of expect it to be a complete desert wasteland. Sure, it gets hot, but I like heat. I love that they have beaches on the Gulf Coast. I love that there is an entire county filled to the brim with windmills there. I love that Texans are proud of their state. I'm certainly proud of mine. I love that Texas is welcoming to high tech companies. Just as California is. I have considered that I probably wouldn't mind living in either El Paso or Austin TX. I wouldn't even mind cheering for the RED RAIDERS, Texans, Spurs, or Mavericks. Oh, but I'll never be a Cowboys fan. NINERS!
Well... You can buy a Tesla Motors product in Texas... It's just that Tesla Motors isn't allowed to sell it to you in Texas...
Probably the most recent win is the move of the Toyota Sales HQ from Torrance to Plano. That is about 3K jobs. The City of Plano projected $7.2B of economic activity over the next 10 years, $4.2B of which is payroll.
@renwo: What businesses has TX lured from CA?
Most recently, Toyota.
Texas has four times the job growth of California.
Unemployment is 50% less.
"...nearly every business climate index has California in the bottom 10 and Texas in the top five."
California has huge advantages over Texas: a much better climate; a larger and better educated populace, and is still the home of many important companies. However, they're working really hard to squander it all.
Wow it is illegal to buy a Tesla in Texas eh? That is interesting because I clicked the order button and picked mine up in March this year. Didn't seem shady but I guess I'm just a law breaker like that (sarcasm font).
Having lived in Texas and California for long periods, I've noticed a certain commonly held smug attitude of superiority that many Californians hold towards Texas, and is evidenced here. It's kind of a shocking self-satisfied arrogance where the person just takes it for granted that California is the best place to live and Texas is some backward redneck outpost that can hopefully be ignored.
Since entertainment content is traditionally produced in California, this attitude is even more obvious in the media, where it's easy to believe Texans are death penalty-lovin', chain-gang-swingin', ten-gallon hat-wearin', gun-totin' schmucks.
Texas, especially Austin, has a lot of good things that make it a great place to live. No state income tax, much lower real estate costs, room to expand, less of the politically correct group think so prevalent these days, an optimistic sense of starting new (many things in California seem small and old to me while things in Texas tend to be big and new), a strong job market for technology... For family reasons I currently live in California but Austin would be my first choice having seen both, and I hope to return someday.
Dramsey. You have mentioned one legacy auto manufacturer which was supplanted by Tesla as the largest auto manufacturing employer in CA. Which job growth would your prefer?
death penalty-lovin', chain-gang-swingin', ten-gallon hat-wearin', gun-totin' schmucks.
Erm, and what would be wrong with that?
Death penalty when strictly enforced across the board: deters similar criminals (Sure, claim it isn't true. But then consider committing the act yourself and its implications if the laws were so strict in your region.)
Chain gangs: Why should incarcerated criminals be given free meals and free healthcare? Fact: in my own residency program, I had a patient who wanted cataract surgery but didn't want to buy insurance. So he got himself in jail for some stupid offense, and got his free cataract surgery. That's plain wrong. Chain gangs should be the daily grind for criminals. You don't work, you don't eat.
10 gallon hat? Straight up racism to criticize that.
Gun toting? You might be a socialist but the USA wasn't founded on socialism. Individual liberty was paramount, and yes, we have the right to keep and bear arms. Molon labe.
Yeah, living here in Austin for four years, us "locals" have been watching the transformation of the cowboy boot-wearing, pick-up truck driving Rick Perry into the techie glasses wearing, Tesla-driving RICHARD Perry over the past nine months. Someone think he might be running for some sort of office in two years maybe?
But to the Texas economy: Apple (a California company) is building a $485 million campus here in Austin (they are just completing the first phase of the first $300 million project). That is 3,600 jobs to start.
Visa (another California company) is moving 850 of their total 7500 jobs to Austin over the next two years.
Rosetta Stone (DC/VA) just moved their corporate headquarters to Austin. Dropbox (CA) and Websense (CA) are moving here.
Those are the only ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
Having lived in Georgia, California, Tennessee and Pennsylvania (and now Austin, Texas and a new P85+ owner), I must say this is the best place I have ever lived. No state income tax, cheap gas for my other ICE car, plenty of solar energy for my home, decent cost of living (other than property taxes) and just nice people on both the conservative and progressive sides. There's a reason that more people between the ages of 25-35 (I'm 42) moved to Austin, Texas last year than any other city.
Adam, you're right that Austin is a great city within (in my opinion) a backwards state. It's an ok place IF you're financially well off like most Tesla owners but pretty disinterested in helping anyone else.
DFLDFL. I loved Austin, too and would probably add Corpus Cristi to the list.
Californian's should be very proud of their state. You all have a great deal to be proud of.
Texan's should be very proud of their state. You all have a great deal to be proud of.
I could say the same of all other states. Focus on that which binds us,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--..."
and respect our differences and differences of opinion and we will see our brightest days ahead.
Focus on our differences and forget that which binds us and a much different outcome will be our fate.
Texas has greatly snubbed Tesla in passing legislation that is discriminatory toward them. If Tesla where to focus on that alone, the differences, Texas would have not chance at a giga-factory. However Texas has a great business climate with tax incentives a very capable work force and less state government barriers to entry. These are the things that bind them to Tesla's mission. Elon has stated clearly that speed of getting the giga-factory built is of critical importance to Tesla and it's mission. If Texas is the best place to fulfill Tesla's mission then what? Should Elon/Tesla focus on differences or synergies, that which binds us.
California and Texas both have a great deal to be proud of. The U.S. has even more to be proud of.
@renwo: Dramsey. You have mentioned one legacy auto manufacturer which was supplanted by Tesla as the largest auto manufacturing employer in CA. Which job growth would your prefer?
You asked what businesses Texas has lured from California, I gave one example. There are many others, as a simple Google search will show.
But answering your question: which "job growth" would I prefer? Well, Texas, duh! Because it's experiencing a lot more job growth.
Toyota's the third largest auto manufacturer in the world, with over 7 million vehicles produced last year. Tesla's auto production wouldn't even rise to the level of a rounding error in Toyota's manufacturing.
And as I like to remind people here, Toyota's the company the sold the Prius at a loss for more than a decade to establish hybrid cars, so sneering at them as a "legacy" auto manufacturer doesn't make any sense. Tesla has a long, long way to go before they displace as much CO2 as Toyota has.
Dramsey. Steel, textiles, shoes, manufacturing, etc. all did great things over their lives as part of American industry. Many initially relocated to the south before leaving for Asia, etc. Many more will stop off there in the future.
What I figured out about California is this:
You aren't actually supposed to start a Family or rear Children here. You should only come here to 'Build Your Career Portfolio, 'Make Your Fortune', or 'Sow Wild Oats'... Let your kids grow up elsewhere, and allow them to choose California, if they like, when they become adults. This is where your kids are supposed to 'run away from home' to... They'll come back 'home' when the time comes. Alternatively, once the kids are gone for good, you can get a vacation house in California.
What I think out about Texas is this:
I like the place, but I despise the political landscape. If I moved there today, it would be as a carpetbagger, with full intent to change that terrain, if I were to consider rearing children in the environment. I wouldn't be welcomed. As a younger man, I could have made a career there, in El Paso, Dallas, or Austin rather easily. But I would have moved elsewhere to start a Family. I mean, really... a place where chaining a man to the tow hitch of a pickup truck and dragging him around by the neck until his head pops off is done simply because of the color of his skin, and then the Governor says it is NOT a hate crime? Or, a place where this happened only a year ago? Not really for me.
Red Sage. Humans tend to love where ever it is that they live, it's the basis for "nationalism". Unfortunately, it's usually because they don't know any better or because things that are "different", frighten them.
Red, this is wandering rather far afield from car stuff, but did you know the FBI Uniform Crime statistics are online and easily searchable?
According to them, California has both a higher murder rate as well as a higher rate of violent crime overall than does Texas.
California also has many more hate crimes-- at least according to the FBI-- than Texas.
And sure, Texas has industrial accidents. Incredible. Perhaps you remember the San Bruno gas line explosion in 2010? Or the Richmond refinery explosion in 2012? Or the Martinez refinery explosion? Or the Loma Prieta earthquake (I was there for that one. Not an industrial accident, true, but if you live in CA, you need to be aware of earthquakes.) Etc.
I think you're arguing from a basis of your prejudices, rather than facts. Which is fine; there are a lot of things I don't like because of my own prejudices. I try to be aware of it though, and realize that my prejudices aren't necessarily defensible and rational positions.
Actually, I argue from the point of what I perceive as prejudice.
Cheap labor and low cost of doing business have helped the emerging countries in the last few decades but it has never been a factor for making US economy what it is now. You can't maintain the status of the most advanced economy and have the highest living standard in the world by just luring mature companies to settle here. You need to continue to create values and develop new industries that no one else in the world has.
There is a reason why game changer companies like Tesla, Apple, Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Disney,Intel, HP, eBay, Netflix, Disney,....and many more like them that are still brewing in some old warehouses are all started in California. Some of the founders of those companies are home grown and others, like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, made a point to come start their companies in California because they knew that's where they need to go to find the right environment and, more importantly, the right people. Where would you want to go work if you are a bright young graduate from MIT or Standford? Would you want to go to California or a backward state that is still debating whether to put creationism in the textbook? I think the answer is very clear. Disclosure: I got my degree from a top University in Texas and went to work in California like many of my classmates did. No brainer for us then and it is still now.
And last but not the least the weather, the scenery and the culture life make even an old man like me not want to go back to Texas. OK, OK I'm boasting again and I'm fully understand why people in some part of the nation want the state to sink into bottom of the Pacific ocean.
Well, what can I say, Red? Your perception of Texas as a land of bigots who commit horrible hate crimes is silly; at least if your point is that California is somehow better in this regard.
I suppose I could pick out some horrific crime in California-- school shootings, say, since California has many more of those than Texas as well, despite the latter being a haven of knuckle-dragging NRA zombies-- and use it to indict the entire state from my moral pedestal. But that would be..silly.
@carlk: Would you want to go to California or a backward state that is still debating whether to put creationism in the textbook?
Um, no. That debate was settled back in 2011. Evolution won.
California, meanwhile, is home to the Creation Museum and the Institue for Creation Research?
In fact, according to this page, California is home to more than twice as many creationist organizations (28) as is Texas (12).
It's interesting, isn't it, how California has more of the bad stuff everyone's using to smear Texas? It's almost as though you guys were a bunch of bigots who didn't care about the facts or something.
(And, really, this is my last not-even-vaguely-related-to-Tesla post on this thread. It just annoys me to see people trying to justify their ignorance and prejudice.)
@Dramsey I'm glad that at least we seem to agree what are the bad stuff. I can assure you that you will be much happier living in CA than in TX if you like the good stuff and dislike those bad stuff.
Red Sage, Did you ask the famous California philosopher, Rodney, can't we all just get along, King to comment on the Texas chain draggers. Seems that both places have their share of problems.
Maybe Perry was visiting to evaluate credit worthiness in case they chose to lend California some money. Kinda like China does when propping up the US with loans.
From a foreign perspective, the word is that Austin isn't really part of Texas, just an outpost of hypocritical ex-Californians and their imitators. Trying to spread the diseases they fled. >;p
As I said before about Texas, "I like the place, but I despise the political landscape."
I think that is exactly what people say about California.
@Brain H If that foreign perspective came from Europe then you need to substitute diseases with goodness in that sentence.
@Red Sage "I think that is exactly what people say about California." Perhaps half of the people. Oh those same half people hate Europe too. Texas and the rest of the bible belt is the world.
Like I said that bright young MIT graduate, especially if the person is a gay, woman, minority or non-christian, would rather go to work in CA then TX where the Republicans there still favor "reparative therapy". OK Texas may have settled teaching creationism (unwillingly) in 2011. But in 2011? Give me a break!
Perry did a great job again trying to woo Californians to go to Texas. Never forget he was elected by majority of Texas voters.
@carlk: I lived in San Jose, CA for over 20 years, but was born and raised in Texas.
I live in Reno now but visit both CA and TX frequently, so I've a pretty good idea of the plusses and minuses of each.
It's funny, isn't it, the criticisms that Perry's getting? You'd think him showing up in a Mod S would be cause for celebration-- we have a convert!-- instead of derision.
And the derision he gets does seem a little, well, odd, coming as it does from the state that elected Gray Davis, Arnold (twice!), and now has re-elected Jerry Brown, whose mayoral success in turning Oakland into a cesspit of murder and violence that continually ranks as one of the deadliest cities in the country doesn't seem to have made much of an impression.
Because Texas is a red state, and thus its politicians are fools and villains, and it's populated with rednecks, thugs, and racist murderers.
I see you linked to an article where Perry compares homosexuality to alcoholism. Hm. Which former California governor promoted and signed a Federal law outlawing gay marriage?
Funny how Clinton gets a pass on that, isn't it?
Because, carl, as you've so amply demonstrated, ideology will alway, always trump facts.
It's a little disappointing. I expected better here. But it seems that all too many Mod S owners and enthusiasts are no better than the people they decry. They just have fancier cars.
Great post. It's a sad commentary that so many from "the party of inclusion" can't stop deriding those who aren't in lockstep with them even when discussing something on which we agree-enthusiasm for Tesla and Elon.
Dramsey - I make it a point not to get involved in political discussions (especially online), but I do very much enjoy both my home state (So Cal) and the parts of Texas I've been to. I've found the people in Austin and San Antonio to be nothing but welcoming and inviting (and I'm not even white!). My family actually lived in Fort Worth for a few years back in the 70's, and they had a great time.
I'm always happy to see more MS drivers (who aren't in accidents).
I was born in California, but grew up in Mississippi. I moved back to California... 29 years ago. I've made the trip over land between those two states many times, as a passenger as a child, and driving it myself as an adult. I LOVE the trip. I have literally NEVER had a problem of ANY sort in Texas. NONE. Like I said, I like the place.
I do take issue though with the fact that 49 states in The Union think it is fair to have 'Open Season' on deriding The Great State of California, but people who prefer the state for reasons other than the weather, are not allowed to point out what they think are bad things about the others -- except for the weather.
I have actually gone out of my way to avoid the majority of political threads I've come across here. I take issue with the notion that before I can point out the issues elsewhere, I'm expected to point out the issues here too. I consider that ridiculous.
My point before holds true for me: I am willing to live with what I perceive as issues in California. I am not willing to live with what I perceive as issues in Texas. That's it. Are there strengths and weaknesses in both states? Yes. But...
I still agree with the earlier statement that the BEST of TEXAS and the BEST of CALIFORNIA equals THE BEST that AMERICA has to offer.
Is that OK?
I think we should be careful when painting with such broad strokes. I know this is a thread about Texas, but let me share my view of Arizona which is usually lumped into the same category as the lone star state when it comes to politics.
I had preconceived notions before I moved to Arizona. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and routinely criticized other "backward" states for not being as progressive as my home state. I have to tell you, however, that I've never been happier here. The cost of living is ridiculously low no matter where you fall in the personal wealth spectrum. The people are sincere and take time out of their day to acknowledge strangers and say hello. Neighbors look out for each other. That sort of thing.
The low cost of living combined with reasonable success in my career have blessed me with the ability to put solar on my roof, own a home on a 1/4 acre lot where I plant and grow my own veggies, drive a Model S, and live a relatively fossil fuel-free life. I own five homes today, which I never would have thought possible. Growing up in California, we were told by one media report after another that kids of my generation would be unlikely to ever own their own home in golden state. Now I'm a vegetarian, tree-hugging gay guy who owns five homes in Arizona and loves every minute of it!
There are good and bad politics in every state. There are cities where you want to live and towns where you don't. There is much more to a state than what you read about in the news. Our various governments have proven to be useless and utterly handicapped when it comes to leading. The dollars that we vote with on a daily basis have more impact on our communities than the votes w put into the ballot box. Texas and Arizona politics will change not because our politicians have suddenly become enlightened to the ways of other states. They will change because these states need to woo progressive businesses in order to survive and remain economically relevant.
AmpedRealtor: Precisely. Thumbs up, high fives, fireworks and a lazer light show! ;-)
My family has lived continuously in CA since 1838 and I know intimately the problems in the state. However, having lived in Texas for several years, I was appalled at the number of Texans I encountered who, when they learned of my home, dismissively stated "Ahh, the land of cars and queers." I have never encountered as many bigoted people in my life and I will forever have only distaste for their attitude. Many Texans go out of their way to dismiss or insult CA, whereas, prior to my experiences, as a Californian I never thought of the state negatively. I know this is not suitable for this forum, but I had previously only stated economic forces that are affecting each state, only to be dismissed by defenders of the Texas status quo for being ignorant of the facts.