Performance shows up as AWD

richrist_98170928

At the delivery center. My performance Model 3 is only showing as an AWD on the “T” screen in the car. They said this could happen and that is just software to change it to a performance. They said it probably came with the higher “rated” motors with the longer burn in they just put the wrong software package in the car. Anyone else experienced this? I’m thinking about refusing delivery.

disapr

I assume this is a base performance model? If they can flash Performance software on the car and show you the red underline, I'd still have them produce some proof that the motors were selected for a performance car.

Silver2K

performance comes with red calipers? if it's on the car, it's performace

Magic 8 Ball

Sigh, there are two versions of performance. The "stealth" version does not have red calipers.

john.tara.ford_98033131

Guys, It is all software. They can fix it on the spot. And you can verify the performance with a dragy/vbox.
The crap about Binning is just that IMO. The money you spend helps them cover warranty costs if the motors, invertors or battery experience issue from sending more power to them.

Silver2K

if you chose performance upgrade

Magic 8 Ball

Dunno why TESLA would say the motors are 'binned' if they are not?
Some people's opinions are just crap.

Silver2K

take it for a test drive and see if it gets to 155, if it does, you're good

richrist_98170928

Decided to refuse delivery. I asked if they could prove the motors were selected for performance if they updated the software, and the guy at the delivery center said the motors are identical and there is no difference between all wheel drive and performance besides software. I told him what I heard from the Elon tweet and he said that was probably just false stuff on the Internet. I double checked and it definitely was tweeted out by Elon. Just didn’t feel comfortable. Plus it didn’t help I had to find the problem myself I would’ve driven home with an AWD.

Silver2K

you just made the next person in line very happy

Magic 8 Ball

I think you did the right thing by refusing.
Please feedback your story directly to TESLA.

Silver2K

I would have taken the car.
If Tesla made a mistake they would have corrected it without question.


You can also check to see if there is a charge to supercharge.

richrist_98170928

@magic8ball, I definitely will. I have already waited two years. What’s a couple more months

Magic 8 Ball

@richrist IMO, you have a somewhat unique opportunity to get some questions answered that many are wondering about. Primarily, what else, besides software, is unique to the P. Perhaps your first hand experience and decision, that is all about the "questions" (I think), can get you into a different communication path with TESLA.

TESLA, definitely, described the binning process and there has been mention of special inverters, so I am pretty sure it is more than "just software".

If you have the time and are able to drill on this the effort would be appreciated by many.

dan1eld

Had the same experience... My DA went in the back when I asked about the 'red underline' and came back assuring me that I got a Performance model. He tried to tell me that red underline only came with the cosmetic package.

I tried every route of escalation after delivery. Nothing got a response or worked. Finally I got through to a service advisor who didn't believe my story until I told him that my acceleration modes where "Chill & Standard" not "Chill & Sport". That finally got him to dig in...

About 30 min later after he spoke to "engineering", my app and car had the red underline. Performance was night & day from the AWD version they delivered to me. I actually appreciate the P more now that I've experienced the jump in acceleration from before to after the SW upgrade.

Jalinllc_98215414

@dan1eld,@magic8ball - That is concerning at best. I had always figured that with there was some headroom for a future 0-60 purchased upgrade (maybe ~0-60 in 4.1 versus 4.5) in the 3D versus the P3D given that they clearly have the same rear motor that has been software limited (and/or binned) on the 3D. Given that the RWD rear motor has the same specs as the P3D while the 3D is only rated at 188KW, so that would imply if they are binning that a majority of the motors can be used in P3D or 3(RWD), but that the "rejects" go to the 3D . Or that this is all a marketing thing and that there trully is no difference between the rear motors (still maybe different inverters however)

richrist_98170928

I’m going to call Tesla customer service tomorrow. I figured it might be hard to get a good answer from the Weekend crew.

Bighorn

Performance only goes 145 without the Plus.

HighlandPony

You can easily confirm the exact configuration of the car by looking at the stickers on either side. These are located near the front door hinges.

Mine says:
PMSS - Silver Metallic
DV4W - All Wheel Drive
BC3B Black brake calipers
LTPB - Lower Trim PUR Black
PC30 - No Performance Chassis
W38B - 180C00C0 wheels (base)

As you can see mine is not the performance. I helped deliver cars all day yesterday. The performance model chassis are indicated as such on the sticker. There is exactly zero doubt as to the configuration of any car. Perhaps the software was not configured correctly but they should have been able to tell you what the car was, and there is a difference in the hardware at the chassis level.

mindfullivin_98299898

I do not believe there are any differences in the dual motors Performance vs AWD. I can find no people in Tesla to confirm this myth of different motors. The Performance Model 3 is a software upgrade. If anyone can prove the dual motors are different please provide proof.

mindfullivin_98299898

And to clarify - there are additional upgrades to the Performance Model 3 like the brakes are better and the chassis suspension is better. Better springs. Better tires.

Magic 8 Ball

@Jalinllc I have no idea why you would think a "majority" can be used for P.

I have first hand experience with binning and usually the parts needed for special or high performance application are like finding four leaf clovers. The parts all have the same production/manufacturing specs but, as with all parts, there is a range of acceptable tolerances. Trying to paint the ones that don't make the cut as "rejects" is disingenuous. The ones that make the cut are above average and those that don't pass, the binning for high performance criteria, are average, not rejects.

Jalinllc_98215414

@richrist - It is my understanding that any component that has any interaction with the MCU's has an embedded PROM or other such memory to store S/N, calibration data , etc. etc. Thus if there is truly a difference that has been sorted thru binning then it would clearly identifiable and available via engineering pining your car's configuration details - Please keep us informed - Thanks

AMDPower

Guys, if you understand “binning” you will realize that there is likely ZERO difference between the AWD and performance. These motors are built to very high standards. If they have a way for all motors to come off the line the same, then they will do it. I highly doubt there are enough variances from motor to motor to make up a 1 second 0-60 difference. It’s software. And so what? Not any different than most software and how it’s sold. You want the extra performance, you pay. I am pretty sure there will be an option to uncork our AWD’s sometime in the future.

plunderfest_98110121

My AWD is fast as all hell. Im more than satisfied with the performance. Im so satisified that I spent 8 bloody hours ceramic coating and polishing every little thing on the car :P

Magic 8 Ball

@AMD So are you saying that TESLA is lying about 'binning' (testing and finding a small percentage, off the line, that meet the criteria to be P motors)?