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Why Mars? Why not the moon?

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  • edited November -1
    Wait, that was Arnie in T2 who says that.. :-)
  • edited February 2019
    Non interference with Alien civilizations is a directive(Star Trek). Let them evolve. The dumb die while the smartest will survive and flourish. By definition, intelligent life is not self destructive. homo sapiens may not be as intelligent as other forms in the universe. If intelligence from another part of the Universe were to contact us they already realize how primitive and warlike our species is so they may not want to upset us. Notice how anything Alien is assumed to be a threat even if the Alien is helpful.
    My random thoughts this Sunday.
  • edited February 2019
    @RedShift

    This world's population is currently at 7.68 billion at the time of this posting:

    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

    Which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't much of a cause for concern since our population fluctuates cyclically with the preceding generations dying off to make room for the emerging generations roughly every 50 years and, since we're throwing away 40% of our edible foodstuffs every day, we've still a surplus available to us if things got tight, which they won't because of the whole cyclical birth cycle and generational replenishment I mentioned.

    The problem isn't so much with our population (BTW, have you heard that birthrates among teens is trending [a positive change IMHO] downwards? https://www.wpr.org/study-fewer-young-girls-giving-birth-us/) as it is with our environment's continued ability to sustain said population despite our commercial and industrial efforts to undermine and circumvent its ability to do so...

    THAT'S the problem we need be concerned with.
  • edited February 2019
    @Mike83

    "As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Starfleet personnel, Federation citizen and/or representative may interfere with the normal and healthy development of alien life and culture.

    Such interference includes introducing superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely.

    Starfleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship/installation, unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation."

    +1
  • edited February 2019
    @RedShift

    "Nature" could take us out, e.g., "The Day After Tomorrow", or we could take ourselves out (which it is looking like more and more everyday) by polluting the environment to such a degree that it is unable to sustain us, be it through our prohibiting its natural ability to cleanse itself of our excesses, or through our poisoning of it to such a degree that it, in turn, poisons us via the foodstuffs we've grown, caught, or harvested from it.

    Either way we've only ourselves to blame if we sit idly by and do nothing to prevent our demise when it is, clearly, well within our ability to remedy the situation.
  • edited November -1
    @blue adept Thanks for detail of the Prime Directive. Excellent policy.

    If my memory serves me correctly Rome died from Lead poisoning from drinking it via their delivery system. It appears the EPA is doing similar actions such as letting mercury be released by burning coal and allowing contamination of our water with residues from industry besides the Global Disruption from burning fossil fuels. This could be called evil.
  • edited November -1
    Actually the lead and mercury causes neurological damages making people CRAZY. Could that be why such poor government decisions are made?
  • edited February 2019
    @Mike: Perhaps it explains the president we have elected
  • edited February 2019
    One example I recall is a coal roller guy who actually put his dumb face in the exhaust and breathed it which is pretty crazy. The people at the fed level seem very unhappy and very self destructive display a masochistic/sadistic mentality. The Russian fossil fuel industry trolls may have thrown the elections from what I've read. Hope America can survive this debacle.

    And this is interesting how easily Russians are controlled by its government; keep the populace on alcohol/drugs and you have control. I hope America is more sober but not so sure.

    https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-death/
  • edited February 2019
    "Perhaps it explains the president we have elected"

    More likely it explains the voters who elected him.
  • edited February 2019
  • edited February 2019
    @Mike83

    FWIW, oil is Russia's primary source of income, exclusively, ergo, the only thing required to destabilize Russia's economy and bring it crashing down is to stop importing oil from Russia, effectively neutering the country.

    Just an observation...
  • edited February 2019
    @Mike83

    Yes, an excellent, ethical and logical policy.

    Live long and prosper.

    >>> "It appears the EPA is doing similar actions such as letting mercury be released by burning coal and allowing contamination of our water with residues from industry besides the Global Disruption from burning fossil fuels. This could be called evil."

    Because it IS evil.

    >>> "Actually the lead and mercury causes neurological damages making people CRAZY. Could that be why such poor government decisions are made?"

    Possibly...We'd have to examine their diets and check for any neurological degradation to determine for sure.
  • edited February 2019
    Coal fired power plants emit 75 TONS of mercury. Here is a test

    https://www.healthlabs.com/mercury-blood-testing
  • edited February 2019
  • edited February 2019
    Besides deposits in the environment resulting from coal mining operations and manufacturing and agricultural processes runoff Lead can also be found in paint and even toys and other products manufactured in China:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2016/04/26/the-other-source-of-lead-contamination-your-childs-toys/#6d8113cd4f80
  • edited February 2019
    But what does this have to do with Mars?
  • edited February 2019
    Crazy humans destroying Planet earth makes a Mars trip needed to keep the species alive. Why humans self destruct which may be due to environmental pollution that makes them crazy.

    The Mad Hatter used mercury for hat making which made them crazy.
  • edited February 2019
    Ah, but it isn't just the mercury...Companies are dumping a helluva lot more than mercury into our environment and doing it all in the name of Capitalism/Profit that is sold to us as necessity for economic security when all it's doing is fattening their bank accounts while the little guy gets paid a pittance to make ends meet, support their families and get by in Life.
  • edited February 2019
    Mars is said to be a planet and scientifically proved that people can able to sustain their life in Mars. This is the reason to go ahead with Mars.
    Best Regards,
    Kay Augustine - Founder
    https://kaybotanicals.com/
  • edited February 2019
    I think that the thing that irks me most about the dire global situation we're finding ourselves in due to a handful of individual's greed is that they could fix it (we have the technology) while still generating profit, but they would rather jeopardize their own lives and those of their own children, and everyone else along with them, solely for the sake of satisfying their own greediness.

    Talk about heinous indifference and unchecked selfishness! The rationale for such rampant avarice is just unfathomable to me. It's truly bewildering.
  • edited February 2019
    blue adept. It is incredibly stupid since they don't even know what to do with the enormous amount of money they already have. This could simply be an addiction like gambling or drinking. I did see a documentary on a Koch brother buying wines for tens of thousands of dollars per bottle. They got ripped off by a guy who relabled the wine in his apartment and sent the money back to his family I believe. I forget where I saw this but it gives an insight into the desires of these people.
  • edited February 2019
    it was on 60 minutes
  • @blue adept,
    The problem is that the people who control and profit from the oil are not the ones who can fix or profit from the problem.
    If all you know how to do is drill, pump, and refine, (and you've gotten filthy rich because of it) everything looks like a well.
  • edited March 2019
    About 4 billion years ago there may have been oceans on Mars. Some DNA testing might be interesting. Maybe we had ancestors on Mars back then and they escaped Global Warming to come to this 3rd Rock from the Sun but now they are repeating it. Time to go back to Mars. LOL

    https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/scientists-see-evidence-of-underground-lakes-system-on-mars
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