Model X

Replacing Model X90D

edited November -1 in Model X
I purchased a MX90D in September of 2017. Other than the shudder problem, which isn't bad, I have zero complaints about the car. My one "if I had it to do over again" wish is that I had gone ahead and bought the 100D. With the recent price reductions, I'm considering replacing it with a new 100D version soon. The price drop helps, btw.

Questions:
1. What do you guys think the likelihood of a refresh for the MX will come later this year? I don't put much stock in the denials from Tesla because no car manufacturer will admit that a better version is in the offing several months hence because it destroys near term sales. What do you guys think?
2. If you had it to do over again, would you still buy a MX? I can't think of another car that meets my needs as much as this one has. Feel the same way?
3. If I do take the plunge, I'm considering upgrading from the 5 seat configuration of my current MX to the 7 seat version. Any pros and cons there? Do you give up storage space? What I envision doing is taking 6 people to football games meaning packing all the tailgating gear that is mandatory for these type of outings. If you have all 3 rows of seats in use that obviously cuts down on the storage available. For those of you who have the 7 seater, do you find you can still pack 6 folding chairs, a cooler, and food in yours?

Thanks for you thoughts in advance.
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  • edited February 2019
    1) unlikely. Maybe in a year or three, but right now there are more important things to do.

    2) hell yes I would get my X. The only difference is I woulda got the P100D instead of just the 100D.

    3) I got nothing for this one.
  • edited February 2019
    I plan on getting an X I already own a S90D and plan on keeping it that offered me $48,000 for it I love my S and will add the X 100D early spring
  • edited February 2019
    1- Tesla needs to get the $35k M3 into production ASAP. It’s very unlikely that money will be spent on refreshing the MX given the relatively small number of cars being sold. Not anytime soon...
    2- Absolutely. The MX is an excellent family car. There are no other 7-seats electric SUV out there. The MX is also an excellent winter car. Much better insulation and the battery heater is a much in cold climates. The M3 wasn’t properly designed with winter in mind...
    3- I have the 7 seats configuration and, yes, there is still plenty of space with 7 people inside.
  • edited February 2019
    I would not buy it again. It depends on how far you need to drive but definitely do not get the bigger wheels. Tesla, if they survive, will be amazing in a few years but right now the cars are not ready nor are the charging stations imo.
  • edited February 2019
    nonsense FUD
  • edited February 2019
    I would not buy another MX again or recommend anyone to buy any Tesla. First, let Tesla be truthful about its drive range. Its only good to drive around in your neighborhood
  • edited February 2019
    Tom,

    I was asking for honest opinions. What you posted is pure BS. I own one and know better and so do you. Take mine on long trips all the time and the 100D is rated @ 38 miles higher range than the 90D.
  • edited February 2019
    Tom is a FUD troll
  • edited February 2019
    As for will or won't Tesla refresh - I think they will do something later this year. Have nothing to go on other than feels about time for a refresh.

    As for doing a Model X purchase again, just bought a CPO about two weeks ago and have no regrets.

    As for options or seating config. We originally were looking or thinking more is better right? After researching and past experience with other vehicles we decided we wanted the six seater, and found one. In our experience with two kids we never squeezed three people in a single row in any vehicle. Second, with the space in between the the 2nd row buckets adults can sit in the the third row and use that extra space legroom. Also getting in and out of the thid row is a breeze, especially for kids. We have had six people in our two week old model X and the kids just flow in and find a seat. Finally we take trips and as I write this we are in Telluride,Colorado - not having a roof rack option was not good especially when we have four sets of ski's. So having that middle space for our ski bags with skis and poles and still allowing for us to pack four large bags, snow shoes a Yeti Cooler and a couple other bags and things - well this just wouldn't be possible with 7 seater. We won't use the rear hitch ski carrier as I don't care to bombard my skis with road salt and dirt for 500+ miles from Chandler, AZ to Telluride. On a side note I hope the Y doesn't have Falcon Wing doors as that would mean no roof rack option again.
  • edited February 2019
    We are also a Model 3 owner since July 3rd and love that vehicle....it caused us to dump our 2015 BMW X3 and replace with the Model X. No regrets, some range anxiety going from Farmington, NM Supercharger to Telluride,CO on this trip just after a major snow storm and temps -10 below zero and elevation gain up to 10,222 feet at lizard head pass and others but made it to Telluride with 33 miles to spare, supercharged to about 226 miles in Farmington, NM(should have let charge all the way). Destination chargers and free charging at Grocery Store in Telluride and Mountain Village Parking Lot(free) once we got here. Eagerly awaiting planned Supercharger here in Telluride for our future trips.
  • edited February 2019
    @epikula
    What X is your CPO and what was the condition I am a little anal about my cars and my S looks brand new it's S90D. I wanted to get an CPO X but am afraid of what the condition might be
  • edited November -1
    @epikula
    What X is your CPO and what was the condition I am a little anal about my cars and my S looks brand new it's S90D. I wanted to get an CPO X but am afraid of what the condition might be
  • edited February 2019
    @epikula
    What X is your CPO and what was the condition I am a little anal about my cars and my S looks brand new it's S90D. I wanted to get an CPO X but am afraid of what the condition might be
  • edited November -1
    @epikula
    What X is your CPO and what was the condition I am a little anal about my cars and my S looks brand new it's S90D. I wanted to get an CPO X but am afraid of what the condition might be
  • edited February 2019
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  • edited February 2019
    Don't know about the refresh.

    I have the X90D my Dad had the X100D. Now with the battery degrading some there is over a 50 mile difference in range between the two. That is bigger than you think on long trips especially when you factor in faster charging with the 100D. It definitely doesn't taper as fast as the 90. I'm waiting hoping a battery bigger than the 100 comes out in the next year or two. But it is tempting to trade to the 100.

    On the seats I like the 6 seat I thought the 7 seat was claustrophobic in the back.
  • edited November -1
    I traded in my 2016 MX 90D for 2018 MX 100D and have no regrets, (except it had to be towed to the service center today bc it did not turn on). We needed a longer range for road trips and find the 100D w 20 inch wheels makes a huge difference, the 90D had 22” and it never gave the range on the books, but about 15% less. I recommend getting the smaller wheels. We took advantage of 50% buyback guarantee, federal rebate before the downgrade and free supercharging for life, if you can still get in on any of those incentives and you like the car, go for it. Had 7 seater for both and don’t regret, the new 7 seater is even better bc you have more cargo space since 2nd row now folds down flat. We travel with all kinds of kids’ sports gear, chairs, canopy, cooler, and fit it all with 3rd row down flat. I love Tesla vehicles. The one thing I dislike about Tesla now has nothing to do w the car, but it is the wait for parts and scarcity of service centers, the nearest to me is 3h away. I doubt they’ll put an upgrade to MX anytime soon. They have their hands full w M3 rollout, MY finalizing design, expanding superchargers and SERVICE CENTERS! (I hope Tesla reads this! We need one in FRESNO, PLEASE!). Plus they still haven’t maximized Autopilot 2 capabilities on the current MX. Whatever you decide, enjoy. Good luck.
  • edited February 2019
    Nipper2, sorry for the delay. Was on the road in Model X back from Telluride to Chandler, AZ - unpacking etc.,

    So here's the story on our Model X90D. I was looking since around November of last year(2018) and almost pulled the trigger on a couple different CPO's, one was a California X with over the 50K miles/lesser warranty but a Signature Model first 500 VIN. The only things that kept me from pulling trigger was a couple service visits with my 3(turned out to be unique software bug and corruption) and the idea of a first 500 VIN and what issues may have been with early VIN(any car company early production worries). I was eyeballing a couple when one Saturday night a bunch of Tesla's tracking via various websites dropped in price by significant prices. I ended up buying mine for $59,900! loaded six seater, premium package, cold weather, premium sound system, etc. I also bought a second one for 54K! I had communicated with sales rep, done all financing, submitted paperwork only to be told there was a mistake and I could buy the car for $18,000 more. Anyway eventually Tesla said they would sell me the car for 59K. Before buying I had analyzed all the photos and the X looked amazing(no wrinkled leather seat corners, no dings, no road rashed wheels - really good. Thing that stood out to me was that the rear emblem and door handles were chromed deleted. I thought someone who does this takes care or is an above average Tesla Owner. When I went to pickup in Vegas a couple weeks ago I was amazed I couldn't see any dings or scratches and thought this thing looks brand new. Turns out the entire vehicle was wrapped in Xpel and also had the 3M ceramic tint on the inside windows and front windshield. Anyway the vehicle is immaculate and I'm anal as well, I go in the garage before bed and wipe any little blemishes I see with some special wax, sealant stuff from Chemical Guys. Anyway my CPO experience has been above my expectations....though I have seen others report different experiences. My takeaway was I got a X that Tesla wanted to sell for closer to 80K for 59K and I lucked out in that it has a 6500-9000 wrap job with window tint to boot - not sure if it was also ceramic coated after XPEL but it looks brand spanking new. Sorry for rambling.
  • edited February 2019
    Also of note I'm not a fan of the chrome delete stuff - and since previous owner didnt chrome delete window and mirror trim....I think having the handles chrome deleted is something I'll probably remove. The rear emblem looks good though so will probably keep. Only thing I can complain about is mine charges to around 247 miles vs stated 257 miles - not sure if this will change as I tend to be really good to my batteries(3 & now X). Also not sure if this has changed on newer X's but was surprised how little lighting is in Model X for front. Nothing in floor console or storage under screen etc and have added some LED lighting so I can see what's in those places during late night travels. Vehicle did amazing on round trip to snowy, cold Northern Arizona and then to Telluride. Round trip Wh/mile was 358 or around 251miles per charge 90000/358. Drove mostly above speed limit. 80MPH on Interstate, used cabin heater and even set to high setting a few times to keep feet toasty. Was able to make it from Telluride to Gallup, NM on a single charge with 23+ miles to spare. Charged in Gallup for 20minutes, 20 minutes in Holbrook, AZ and another 15 minute stop at new Supercharger station in Payson, AZ - ended up home with 100miles to spare.
  • edited February 2019
    @epikula
    Thank You for all the information. If I was sure I could find one that I knew was in that kind of condition I would do it in a hart beat. My S is wrapped in xpel and Opticoated as well.. Good Luck with your X. I would love to hear back after you have it for awhile.
  • edited February 2019
    @epikula
    I’m sorry but the X90D doesn’t have this kind of real world range, 251 miles. The 90kWh battery has about 81kWh usable (yes, this was a big complaint about the 90kW and the reason why the 100kW is so much better since it has 95 kWh usable!).
    Second, the 90kWh battery loses about 4-5% within the first year before it stabilizes to around ~77 kWh available..

    So, at 358 wh/m, the best you can hope for is ~215 miles...
    The typical range on my P90DL with 22” wheels is about ~180 miles max at 420 wh/m... verified numerous times!
  • edited February 2019
    @Passion2Fly

    I agree with you on your statement about real world range, the X needs to have 400 miles or more, I'd love to see 450-470 which would likely mean something 150+. Figure if Rivian is going to do 180kWh and Tesla's have so much better aerodynamics and efficiencies that this may not be something out of the realm for future versions. We have been doing well by our Model X 90D for two weeks now and including trip back from Vegas and our trip to and from Telluride, Colorado from Chandler, AZ we have done ok - actually made it back from Telluride to Chandler, AZ in just over 9 hrs. Google maps says or estimates 8hrs ad 24 minutes for trip. I think not bad considering we were traveling with our two kids age 4 & 6 yrs old. We did one unnecessary stop for minutes in Delores, Colorado to get a wireless pair of headphones out of back of car at a gas station. Then about 20 minutes at Gallup Supercharger, 20 minutes at Holbrook Supercharger and and 15 minutes at Payson, AZ supercharger which could of been shorter as we ended back home with around 100 miles left of charging. I think a bigger battery would be super nice in that yes wouldnt be down to last 20-30 miles when approaching Gallup from Telluride. Also would help as that last 10-20% charging is sloooooow. I will note the guided route the Tesla Computer had was interesting in that it wanted us to charge one big time in Holbrook for 60 minutes when instead we just did 20 in Holbrook and barely 15 in Payson is worth mentioning. You are also spot on as our CPO 2016 Model X charges to about 247....yet we still did fine with our trip. My main point was that I like the 6 seater over the 7 seater for it's walkway footspace over the 7 seater.
  • edited February 2019
    @Passion2Fly

    I agree with you on your statement about real world range, the X needs to have 400 miles or more, I'd love to see 450-470 which would likely mean something 150+. Figure if Rivian is going to do 180kWh and Tesla's have so much better aerodynamics and efficiencies that this may not be something out of the realm for future versions. We have been doing well by our Model X 90D for two weeks now and including trip back from Vegas and our trip to and from Telluride, Colorado from Chandler, AZ we have done ok - actually made it back from Telluride to Chandler, AZ in just over 9 hrs. Google maps says or estimates 8hrs ad 24 minutes for trip. I think not bad considering we were traveling with our two kids age 4 & 6 yrs old. We did one unnecessary stop for minutes in Delores, Colorado to get a wireless pair of headphones out of back of car at a gas station. Then about 20 minutes at Gallup Supercharger, 20 minutes at Holbrook Supercharger and and 15 minutes at Payson, AZ supercharger which could of been shorter as we ended back home with around 100 miles left of charging. I think a bigger battery would be super nice in that yes wouldnt be down to last 20-30 miles when approaching Gallup from Telluride. Also would help as that last 10-20% charging is sloooooow. I will note the guided route the Tesla Computer had was interesting in that it wanted us to charge one big time in Holbrook for 60 minutes when instead we just did 20 in Holbrook and barely 15 in Payson is worth mentioning. You are also spot on as our CPO 2016 Model X charges to about 247....yet we still did fine with our trip. My main point was that I like the 6 seater over the 7 seater for it's walkway footspace over the 7 seater.
  • edited February 2019
    As for @tomthalody. Not sure he/she knows what they're talking about. Probably not an owner. Pickup Model 3 July 3rd, July 4th on the road to Sedona and then The North Rim of grand Canyon, up thru Utah over to Zion National Park back around thru Glen Canyon. It's been to Telluride with us and all over the west. Bought a Model X because was so pleased with "The 3". Just got back from trip back to Telluride with the X and will be heading to California and up thru California in a couple weeks. Will be taking the X for a trip up north back up into South Dakota shortly as well as everywhere else. Think must be confusing Tesla for every other car manufactures EV? Every time I see a Bolt or Leaf I say there goes a car that never leaves town! No Charging Network and short range.
  • edited February 2019
    We put on 13,000 miles on our 3 in 8 months and will probably drive both 3 and X about 20K miles a year - miles are about split 50/50 between home area and road trips. Sorry for going off topic.
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