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Anti-theft Charging On Travels

edited November -1 in Model S
Are there any anti-theft measure during charging when travelling long distances? Say you are stopping over at a motel by the highway, you plug in the $1000+ cable for over night charging on a parking lot. My concern is won't the cable be easily get stolen as they are very expensive (similar to copper metal thieves ripping valuable metal off buildings, etc.) and also the car can get vandalized, while it is still plugged in unattended on a motel parking lot? I am sure the cables plugged into a car attracts more attention for potential vandals and thieves. What are the security features implemented to prevent this scenario on long road trips in an unfamiliar area?


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    We asked this question at the Newport model s display last week and the rep mentioned maybe they may have some sort of alarm feature on the port when charging. She had not heard if they would yet but mentioned she had been asked many times about this.
    She drives a roadster around and says at nights in hotels she finds herself sometimes checking the car to ensure the charge cable is still safe. Seems like tesla would be thinking of some standard alarm feature for this on the model s. I know we brought it up as a concern to them.
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    That might be a good thing for an iPhone app: monitor the rate of charge and sound an alarm if the cable is disconnected.
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    +1 Vawlkus! A car alarm and a smartphone alarm. Smart.

    Actually, +1 to everyone - I've been wondering about this issue, as well. They need to address this. I don't recall seeing any official information or spec sheets that address this issue at all.
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    I would like for Tesla to apply the same logic they used with their keyless entry. The charging cable on the vehicle end should remain locked, locked as in unremovable, until the proximity sensor detects the car owner right next to the charging port.
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    I do hope Tesla have a thought out solution to this issue we have. The smart phone alarm is interesting, but in reality, the cable will be gone in 60 seconds too late, by the time you wake up in AM, wondering who the heck stole it.

    That keyless sensor locking idea sounds more like a good logical solution. I hope this will be an included standard item.
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    Joint solutions:

    Locking mechanism for cord until fob is detected by car. But an alarm system built into car and phone app (hopefully not just for iPhone) that will alert you if any tampering has happened.

    This way it cannot be stolen and you will be notified of any attempt.
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    Or, if the vehicle detects that the person removing the charging cord does not have the car key, then it redirects the 70A current flow so it goes into the human rather than into the battery.

    No more wondering who stole your cable. The body will still be there in the AM when you awaken.

    (I'm joking, of course)
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    I'm not sure why one could not simply plug in any 120V extension cord to a standard pig-tail? Why not have a standard pig-tail like the block heater I currently have - a standard extension cord isn't worth stealing and although I've plugged in my block heater at a couple of hotels up north, I've never lost the cord overnight... albeit, the cords I'm taking about don't draw more than 5 amps. Could the Model S not have a simple 'block-heater' type 120V connection pigtail for such charging?

    Assuming a hotel installs dedicated circuits for vehicle charging, enabling higher amperage draw, I think they would have permanently attached cables at their end - these would then lead to vehicles paying for an overnight charge (likely in special parking spots). The hotel would more than likely have security cameras in this area and could easily monitor current flow through such charging cables to spot unexpected disconnects.

    The concept of a 'locking connector' at the vehicle is also a good one - but my preference would be to see the cable 'locked' to the charging station/outlet/building which itself should be as secure as a smart hydro meter (people don't take them because of the current flowing/chance of electrocution and the unique serial number encoded into each unit). A cable locked to the charger would be handy for my cottage as well - I'd rather leave the cable hanging outside on the charger, much like a garden hose, and don't want to have to carefully spool up the cable into a compact bundle to take with me... especially when raining or the mosquitoes are biting ;)
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    I think you are on to something there and I am a fan. haha
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    @Muskoka, the Roadster and Model S both have a standard 120V connector, so ther eis no problem there. The issue still exists as some of us will have 300mile batteries that we need charged overnight and we can use the 120V line as it doens't have the requied amps.

    We need the beefer high power connector. Theives these days will steal it once they know how much it is worth, and I'm sure even the dumb ones will figure out it is expensive once they see it hanging off a $100k car.

    Theives don't care about your car either, so they'll have no quams about breaking it off, if needed. The connector to the car and the connector to the charge line need to be VERY strong. I see no issue in incorporating a key (use the drivers key even) to lock it once it is connected up.
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    The only ones it is "worth" much to is other Tesla owners. So you're now presuming a black market in charging cables? Hmmm ...
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    Right Brian H. Who that has spent $50k + on their car is going to trust a "hot" cable?
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    I can be really thick sometimes.

    Make the connectors have coils built into them. So long as power is flowing throuh the connector, it'll be electromagentically secured at both ends! Doesn't matter HOW bad the want to take it, no person on earth will be able to pull it loose :p

    Simple electromagnetism in action. Only way to get the cord then is to cut the cable, which'll fry the would-be thieves on the spot. Man I love science }B)
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    Presumably the Model S uses the new IEEE-standard SAE J1772 connector, and therefore we'll expect to see that many businesses will have installed charging stations on premise to attract customers (like me) to stay/eat/be entertained there. The problem of theft then becomes the problem of the premise owner, not the car owner.
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    Here's some news from the inductive charging front:

    It's admittedly still sci-fi at the moment, but with regard to theft or vandalism, inductive charging is certainly superior to cable charging.

    Given the fact that inductive charging will always be inferior to cable charging in terms of power throughput, it is still questionable if this will ever become the preferred charging method during long trips -- except when Autobahns/motor ways get equipped with induction that allows charging while driving! That would effectively mean "infinite range", and on top, with only a relatively small and light battery! That's my personal dream of the EV's future... ;-)

    But even as long as inductive charging is only feasible for home and office use, it is still a major improvement in convenience. In most usage scenarios, you do not need a very high charging rate to end up with a full battery the next time you need to move the car.
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    Wouldn't it be nice if the connector would be some electromagnetically locked device? Like the charging cable for Mac computers, but with a lock. If it would attach and disconnect magnetically, without having to push the plug in or pull it out. With the cord coming down from the garage ceiling, a la the oil filling tubes you might see at Jiffy Lube, a quick connect and disconnect would be nice.
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    yes, and have the connector automagically mate your car as you park in your garage. Like Star Trek "docking clamps engaged"!
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    You guys are on the right track. Cord theft will become a very serious issue. I like the suggestion from Vawikus to electromagnetically secure the cable to the car until a proximity detector senses the owner's key fob and unlocks the cable. I don't see hotels investing in charging stations anytime soon. Most will offer parking spaces with a nearby 120V outlet. A 220V outlet will be a rare treat. Can you say "bye bye $600 cable?"

    Example: Right now the Tampa airport Long Term lot has spaces where a 120V outlet is nearby. That's it. They told me that SFO has dedicated charging stations, but nobody uses them. They are not ready to make an investment.
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    @ Brian H and David70

    The value of the cable to thieves is not to resell it to Tesla owners - it's in the copper value - phone and cable companies have been having a heck of a time as thieves steal their lines (even stripping out streetlight poles) to sell the copper to metal recyclers.
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    Seriously? That's one type of crime I'm not familiar to. I don't recall seeing any "copper thieves" here ever.
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    @Timo: Sadly copper theft is real. Someone stole the copper pipes on the roof of the building I work in. It certainly cost us a whole lot more to replace them than the copper was worth.
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    People steal copper wires from high speed trains' power lines in France ! Imagine the consequences ...
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    That's seriously odd type of crime. How do they benefit from that? Logic behind that is puzzling to me.
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    Copper prices has increased significantly in the last few years. The thieves sell the copper for the scrap metal value.
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