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Apple car play

edited November -1 in General
Will Tesla ever incorporate or add Apple CarPlay so that I can have Siri read text and originate text messages while driving. Of course it would be great to have apps like audible and other apps that are built into CarPlay. Being an Apple enthusiast and wanting my iPhone Xs max to be fully integrated is not too much to ask for what is probably the most high tech car on the road.
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  • edited November -1
    Not likely. Plenty of previous posts on this, some want it, some don’t.
  • edited November -1
    One thought is Tesla is very strong on safety. Some reports show texting (even by voice) is so distracting it is equivalent to driving drunk - not very good for safety. Other automakers just don't care - great if you total your car and have to buy a new one - more money in their pocket.

    Anyway, much more pro/con here: https://teslatap.com/articles/carplay-on-tesla/

    And a super long thread here: https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/vote-support-apple-carplay-teslas
  • edited March 2019
    Tesla has a very good voice activated navigation system. Everything else when driving a car is not necessary. Although do have voice activated phone call and music selection. Texting is just too much of a distraction. I actually wonder why no one has filed lawsuit against auto companies or Apple when they got into an accident while voice texting,
  • edited March 2019
    OK - so let's assume the idea of texting and driving is BAD - what about having the car (SIRI) read your incoming text and then being able to make the decision to pull over to respond. So, now what's your argument - chewing gum and walking at the same time - listening to Audible (audio on books) - I agree studies have shown that the VAST majority of drivers are NOT tuned in to driving while behind the wheel even if there are not additional distraction other than mental distractions. I am definitely reconsidering my order - I want my iPhone heavily integrated into the car in every way possible.
  • edited March 2019
    You should definitely buy another car and give your entire life to Apple.
  • edited July 2019
    @Clifspear Don't bother man, this forum seems fabricated, Bunch of marketing guys answers here, I want the same thing as you do, checkout this
    https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/apple-maps-and-siri-support-model-3
  • edited November -1
    @kishan.psd: If you think this forum is fabricated and we're all Tesla marketing guys, why do you use it? I guess if we don't agree with you, we must be "fake news" -- why does that sound oddly familiar? :-)
  • edited July 2019
    The short answer is that Apple products are simply far too invasive, requiring an almost continuous connection with their "mother ship" leading to a host of all manner of security, functionality and privacy issues.

    Driver distraction entails a whole other set of issues in and of itself, driver and public safety foremost.

    Distractions are not something anyone 'needs' when operating a 3,000 lb., upwards to 6,500 lb., vehicle, especially one traveling at rates up to 75-80+ miles an hour.

    Simple, basic, every day common sense, people, just common sense.
  • edited July 2019
    I am a HUGE Apple CarPlay fan. I never thought I would ever own another vehicle without it. I was concerned I wouldn’t have the same type of access or features once I bought my Tesla Model 3.

    But I can now say that I was wrong. Not only does the Tesla interface offer me more features/functionality, I can still access everything I used on Apple CarPlay, and I can do it all hands free with Siri.

    I turned on the Siri Voice Activation feature and can now ask Siri to send a text, make a call, read message, etc
  • edited July 2019
    @Kraigstl

    Bluetooth is such a benefit to those who're tech savvy enough to know how to make use of it.
  • edited November -1
    CarPlay and Android Auto... good in theory, tough in execution. Clunky. If I were Tesla, I wouldn’t do it.
  • edited November -1
    @carlk
    "Tesla has a very good voice activated navigation system"

    No, it's really pretty rudimentary. No AI, just basic commands. Maybe compared to Siri/CarPlay 3-4 years ago, sure, but my other (ICE) car has CarPlay and I drive it about once/week and it's like a breath of fresh air using CarPlay and Apple Maps over Tesla Infotainment. CarPlay is just so much better. Voice texts, my music library onscreen, my podcast library onscreen, route options in navigation, on and on... Everything you need in a small, focused window.

    Please no more "Tesla love it or leave it" comments. Really unhelpful. We love our Teslas but there is much room for improvement especially in the Nav, Infotainment, and user interface.
  • edited July 2019
    ...and the telephone interface is like 2019 vs 1990. With CarPlay when I'm on a call I see all the info there onscreen throughout the call. I don't have to find the phone app if I need to send a touchtone, mute, hold, etc. I can send the extension that's stored with the number with a tap, add a conference call, easily see my contacts, etc. No, I'm not doing all this stuff while driving in traffic but it is there in large font on a single, focused screen, when needed. Apple CarPlay has optimized safety and usability of infotainment, IMO.
  • edited November -1
    I think for most of us this isn't about Apple CarPlay vs. the Tesla technology. If CarPlay was an option for people who wanted to use it, I don't think anyone would mind, as long as it didn't take anything away from people who didn't want to use it. The chances of us getting CarPlay are pretty slim, but that's besides the point.
  • edited July 2019
    @EVRider, I don't know of any car or third-party system where CarPlay takes anything away from anyone who doesn't use it. I think the best scenario, at this point, would be if CarPlay would come up as an app just like Slacker or TuneIn Radio or the browser or the phone, etc.
  • edited July 2019
    @nukequazar

    I may not think as highly about CarPlay as you do, but I'll second the "love it or leave it" comment. Agree it's not helpful, and that we can simultaneously love our Tesla's and recognize places where there's room for improvement.
  • edited July 2019
    It's not going to happen in any reasonable timeframe.

    I'd love to be as positive as the rest of the commenters about the Tesla interface, but I spend time driving another car that has Apple CarPlay / Android Auto, so I know how much better those systems are. Tesla's is way prettier, though.

    But it's not going to happen unless Tesla is forced into it by the competition, and honestly, there's still no competition.
  • edited July 2019
    100% true. Further, while there is no real competition, I nonetheless think there are a couple motivations for Tesla to start focusing on it...

    1) Autonomy. If Tesla believes some form of autonomy is within, say, 1-5 years, that changes usage needs in the car dramatically. In the autonomous scenario, infotainment becomes “the new steering wheel” as the primary engagement focus. I’m surprised Tesla is not more (visibly) focused on Infotainment upgrades as a signal on the autonomous front alone.

    2) Safety. The current interface forces me to pick up my phone way more than I should. Between lack of Spotify support, voice interface limitations and bugginess around podcasting, I’m forced to interact through my phone a lot. That creates safety issues that other manufacturers have prioritized solving.

    3) Buyer profile expansion. If Tesla wants to extend into new buyer profiles/segments, it can do so by leveraging infotainment. Through their SiriusXM and Tunein partnerships, Tesla actually has an amazing foundation of Sports content that is basically invisible and unnoticed right now. Elevating sports in the interface stands to expand buyer segments and generate buzz with new audiences. Bringing Sports forward more visibly could be particularly high value alongside the pickup reveal.

    4) Economics. Tesla has a meaningful economic opportunity ahead embedded in its infotainment systems from AppStore, advertising capabilities, partner integrations, wallet services and referral fees, to name a few.

    IMO, there is a relatively straightforward path to execute on the above. Though parts of the post are a bit dated now, I went into detail on that in a Medium post here:

    Upgrading Tesla’s Vehicle Entertainment System (long-read)
    https://medium.com/@brian.lakamp/tesla-take-enhancing-teslas-entertainment-experience-8e2c3e0f9f27

    More recently, I published more succinct pieces that highlight things I’d like to see addressed in the short term and longer-term approach recommendations around an App Store.

    Six Upgrades for the Tesla Entertainment Experience
    https://medium.com/@brian.lakamp/six-upgrades-for-the-tesla-entertainment-experience-663f48ce00c0

    Tesla Arcade and Automotive OS’s
    https://medium.com/@brian.lakamp/tesla-arcade-and-automotive-oss-c0f6ef650783

    FWIW... Contrary to another forum user’s assertion on a different thread that I seek some sort of profit from those posts, I don’t. In fact, I don’t make any money off those. I simply offer my contribution toward the continued evolution of the Tesla platform... of which I am an enormous fan.
  • edited November -1
    Great articles, @blakamp. I think the bottom line is there is just a troubling arrogance here with Tesla. Tesla is an energy and transportation company, and a very young one at that. Tesla has done unbelievable things in a short time. If only all corporations had such ambition, we could solve so many problems in this world. However, it is hard to imagine that Tesla will ever catch up in areas that companies like Apple have focused on for decades and continue to grow and innovate in. Even as we talk about CarPlay it is currently in beta with big improvements while Tesla infotainment is barely usable in comparison. It is, in fact, unusable for most people's music and podcast libraries. And the telephone and messaging interfaces are dangerously behind the curve.
  • edited July 2019
    There are two critical issues - Apple want to be a direct competitor to Tesla. Why would Tesla give all it's owner and vehicle information to Apple, or ceed the primary user interface to Apple? I'm not saying CarPlay isn't useful or desirable, but unless Apple kills it's vehicle program, I think it would be foolish for Tesla to integrate CarPlay.

    Other car makers are so far behind Tesla in the UI/infotainment area, that they really had no choice but to go with CarPlay. It makes those truly dreadful systems somewhat tolerable.
  • edited July 2019
    @TeslaTap.com, I don't think any of us wants or expects CarPlay or Android Auto to be a primary interface. We just want access to our digital life while driving without having to pick up our phones and deal with an unlimited, dangerous, interface while driving. We just want to see CarPlay (or Android Auto) available onscreen. BMW has a tiny screen so when CarPlay comes up, it uses the screen. The Tesla screen is huge, and has functions that are necessary to driving, so I think we only want CarPlay or AA available in a window.

    As for paying a licensing fee, that is just silly. I put a Pioneer deck pin my 21-year-old BMW. The deck cost $400 for the hardware, including a CD/DVD player and the CarPlay license so it couldn't cost much. Also, I would be happy to pay $100 to turn CarPlay on in my Model S.

    As for competition, I really don't think adding a CarPlay app in a Tesla is going to make people buy an Apple Car in 5 years. Wait, even as I type that I realize, that's COMPLETELY SILLY. If anything, lack of CarPlay, forcing us to fumble through a wholly inadequate music, podcast, messaging, and telephony system, will push people to BUY an Apple Car in 5 years!
  • edited July 2019
    Personally, I would much rather see Tesla integrate services like Spotify, Apple Music, iHeartRadio, Pandora, MLB, etc natively and cleanly, than to bolt on CarPlay. I’d like to see something akin to a Tesla’s version of Sonos. There is so much amazing innovation and differentiation to be achieved there. I’d hate to see Tesla cede its opportunity to 3rd party franken-integrations, and I don’t think they should.

    Nonetheless, I agree with @nukequazar to the extent that if Tesla is not committed to that level of development of the infotainment system, I would take CarPlay and call it a win., just to minimize the number of times I’m forced to interact with my phone under the current system... though it’d break my spirit daily to “endure” a Tesla solution (like CarPlay) other than a kickass version of what I consider the “right” way as described above.
  • edited July 2019
    The root problem, as I see it, is that our digital/data lives are anchored by our phone accounts as the hub, whether associated with Apple or Google. Our lives are not centered around our cars which we maybe spend an hour or two per day in, 5-6 days per week. Of course some speed more time than that in their cars but when we leave our car, we leave our car but the phone stays with us. Therefore we need to be able to interface well with our phone-based data while in the car rather than adjusting to some alternate universe with little relationship to the rest of our lives.

    No matter how great of an infotainment system Tesla creates, it will never follow us into the office, into the restaurant, and home with us for the night and weekend. No matter how many streaming choices or apps we can sign into in the car, it just won't cut it. We need a real connection to the critical data we use daily/hourly/by the minute, in our personal and business lives.

    I don't see Tesla ever putting in API's for Apple Music, Apple Podcasts, Apple Messaging, Apple Contacts, Apple Calendar, and Apple Phone into the Tesla screen (plus Goodle versions of each). Therefore we need to have a decent, safe way to access our phone-based accounts while driving, and as far as I know, CarPlay (or AA) is the safest and most integrated way to so this while leaving the rest of the driving experience to the car.
  • edited July 2019
    I don’t agree with that premise. The phone might be a useful authentication tool, but I don’t agree that it need be the anchor/source of everything.

    Look at smart TVs. Casting and phone-anchored solutions certainly haven’t won the day. I simply log into a set of relevant apps, native to the TV OS, that sync with the cloud, so that when I login and do something it is reflected in all other access points. With smart TVs, we’re headed to a world where the key players (Roku, FireTV and Apple) are increasingly defining the experience for content participants and moving to SSO.

    You may be right about Apple Music and Apple Podcasts, but players like Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Stitcher, iHeartRadio and MLB will likely do it.
  • edited July 2019
    @nukequazar, @nothotpocket

    @Kraigstl has just pointed out that they're able to access the very same features and functionality (and way more) as those they're able to use with Apple's Auto / 'Car'Play through the Siri platform on their phones in conjunction with Tesla's Remote S interface (which resolves your "Safety" concern @blakamp), so I'm not understanding the reason for your discontentment unless, of course, it is due to your own self-remorse for being unaware of how to enable this functionality...?

    I'm inclined to agree with @EVRider although, as @blakamp and I covered in another conversation (where I also told him of a way to integrate the Spotify streaming media platform into Tesla's infotainment subsystem: https://www.teslarati.com/how-to-play-spotify-tesla-music-streaming/), Tesla will be rolling out its' own digital music streaming platform:

    https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/06/23/tesla-spotify/

    Until then, owners could always make use of Tesla's Remote S app to enable voice Siri functionality for hands free operation of a variety of functions:



    So the discussion of whomever's this or that preference of streaming music player is, or their desire for enhanced functionality to enable hands-free operation, are moot issues at this point and a waste of our time, you know, like beating a dead horse.

    The thing about all of these apps, besides their addictive properties and specifically designed indispensability, is that all of them contain what are known as "backdoors" that have been put there (written into their "code") by their developers (for applying updates, revisions, patches and "bug" fixes) that are accessible to and exploited by "hackers" motivated by nefarious intent.

    As I've expressed to you before, your continuing efforts to push these apps are becoming increasingly suspect, @blakamp, VERY suspect indeed given that our earlier conversation should have put this issue to rest for you, you know, but for your intentions to encourage the adoption of these app choices of yours, so your efforts raise the question of your true motivations as I've mentioned before.
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