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No Saudi Arabia love from Tesla. Why?

edited November -1 in General
I have a YouTube channel to promote Tesla in the Middle East and educate people about EV and their benefits. I've had my Model S for 6 months now and I love it ! I do the videos in Arabic so it's easier to understand and I give them my experience with the car as a Tesla owner from San Diego, CA.

Unfortunately, Tesla presence in the Middle East is poor. Only UAE and Jordan, thus far. No Saudi Arabia or other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait and others. It's SAD!
A lot of people ask me on the channel to speak to Tesla to see what's taking them so long. The Saudis are sitting on a pile of cash and people would love to buy Tesla's high end vehicles. They love to show off. That should boost the sales of Model S and X. Given the new car sales numbers that just came out, maybe Tesla should seriously consider opening a store in Saudi Arabia and start building their Supercharger network there. People say why import from UAE if there are no Supercharger network in Saudi Arabia? which makes sense. Also Saudi Arabia has no taxes. It's easier to buy electric cars without the need for incentives. Solar can be a good opportunity too.

Egypt got some local dealers who imports Tesla vehicles then sell them locally. This is bad as without a Tesla dedicated service center those buyers are out of luck if they need technical support.

So Tesla would you please consider expanding your presence to the Middle East? Saudi Arabia?
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  • edited November -1
    I would guess that Tesla knows it’s markets and does have to pick and chose. The question would be how seriously Saudi Arabia would embrace Teslas based on their economic dependence on oil. How seriously are the Saudis addressing climate change and alternate fuels. Obviously they should be encouraged because climate change is a global issue
  • edited April 2019
    Hard to read the Saudis. The Saudi sovereign wealth fund manager apparently encouraged Tesla to sell it a large block of TSLA - enough to make Elon believe there would be adequate funding to take Tesla private. Then, after his “funding secured” tweet, when the markets said “show me the money,” it was crickets from the Saudis while TSLA cratered. We may never know what their real intentions were.

    Some in the Middle East do not appreciate the difficulty western businesses have sending their employees to countries where people can be publicly whipped or beheaded for things like homosexuality that are not even social taboos in the west. One of my coworkers was sent to Saudi Arabia and imprisoned for being in an car accident. Even though he was struck by a Saudi national who was driving on the wrong side of the road, the court decided that had he not been in the country, the accident would not have occurred. (That was in the 1980’s, hopefully it’s better now.) Based on a lot of these horror stories, people don’t want to go.
  • Al1Al1
    edited April 2019
    Tesla has just started shipping cars to Europe and China. And in general has a lot of things to deal with.

    As for the Middle East it is not the easiest region to deal with. Saudi Arabia does not look like the best choice right now. More like a liability. Same story for Qatar or Kuwait. Other countries in the region might get angry.

    UAE and Jordan seems like the closest you can get for now.
  • edited January 2020
    Well I agree with you. I live in Dubai and booked my model 3 and already excited about it. I think huge car manufacturers such as Tesla or even others think a lot before getting into a market without research. I'm not sure why the supercharger network in U.A.E. is poor IMO (Only 3 available) but i'm sure it's based on some research they've conducted. I see potential in markets as you said like KSA, Egypt & Morocco as they have huge buying power unlike U.A.E which has a smaller population. It will take time but yes it is about time that Tesla has a presence in KSA, Egypt & other GCC countries by not later than 2021.
  • edited January 2020
    "I'm not sure why the supercharger network in U.A.E. is poor IMO (Only 3 available)". Did you read somewhere that Tesla is finished building superchargers there?

    6 years ago here in New England (6 states), there were only 3 charger locations. Today just in CT alone, there are 12 locations.
  • edited November -1
    IMO- there are SAE entities that will sink you, as they did on 9/11, IE shorting the airline stocks the days before 9/11 happened.

    No, I'm not saying all the people in the SAE are bad people.

    I'm saying that IF IT WAS ME with an EV company and these certain oil empires, I'd not be naive with my decisions.
  • edited February 2020
    Saudi is modernizing at a rapid rate on all fronts. Tesla should be a big part of this in the near term. Uber has an entire Tesla fleet in Dubai!

    I'm ready to get on a waiting-list for a Y-Series now. Hopefully when they ship, Saudi will be ready! :P
  • Saudi Arabia is decreasing its dependency on oil and is promoting and investing in EV companies. The market for EVs is growing and the demand is as well. Many people have expressed their interest in Teslas especially. I truly believe Tesla would be a success in Saudi Arabia given that it has huge buying power.
  • I would think that Saudi Arabia could pay Tesla the full cost of setting up shops and infrastructure there if they wanted to. Therefore, the fact that there is little Tesla activity hints that Saudi Arabia (or anyone in Saudi Arabia) has not offered.
    They aren't some poor African country that is looking to EVs to enable them to live a little better.
  • Musk touted Saudi buyers when he got into trouble trying to boost Tesla stock claiming Saudi buyers.
  • I'm in agreement with @Madatgascar, @Al1 and @BadgerErickson on their stance that "the Middle East it is not the easiest region to deal with."

    In addition to the sort of nefarious behaviors covered by @Madatgascar there's also the whole sketchiness of the Saudi Arabian sovereign wealth fund-backed Lucid Motors corporate sabotage thing going on between them and Tesla.

    So, all things considered, you don't repeatedly stab someone in the back and then expect them to just shrug it off and carry on as though nothing ever happened.

    Like @SCCRENDO and @BadgerErickson alluded to, Tesla has to be both wise and wary about whom they choose to deal with.

    Apologies to the UAE people but, thanks but no thanks...take it up with your government.
  • Would They even let a woman drive a Tesla? So advanced , So oblivious
  • > @"wisam.alrawi_93338491" said:
    > Why?

    Now you have your answer(s).
  • > @"wisam.alrawi_93338491" said:
    > I have a YouTube channel to promote Tesla in the Middle East and educate people about EV and their benefits. I've had my Model S for 6 months now and I love it ! I do the videos in Arabic so it's easier to understand and I give them my experience with the car as a Tesla owner from San Diego, CA.
    >
    > Unfortunately, Tesla presence in the Middle East is poor. Only UAE and Jordan, thus far. No Saudi Arabia or other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait and others. It's SAD!
    > A lot of people ask me on the channel to speak to Tesla to see what's taking them so long. The Saudis are sitting on a pile of cash and people would love to buy Tesla's high end vehicles. They love to show off. That should boost the sales of Model S and X. Given the new car sales numbers that just came out, maybe Tesla should seriously consider opening a store in Saudi Arabia and start building their Supercharger network there. People say why import from UAE if there are no Supercharger network in Saudi Arabia? which makes sense. Also Saudi Arabia has no taxes. It's easier to buy electric cars without the need for incentives. Solar can be a good opportunity too.
    >
    > Egypt got some local dealers who imports Tesla vehicles then sell them locally. This is bad as without a Tesla dedicated service center those buyers are out of luck if they need technical support.
    >
    > So Tesla would you please consider expanding your presence to the Middle East? Saudi Arabia?

    How do the tesla batteries hold up in the uae heat. I live in Saudi and I have to replace my regular car battery every 18 months or so the heat just kills them. If the temp in the shade is 50 I can imagine what the temp under the car coming up from the hot asphalt would be cooking the tesla batttery
  • I'd guess GMC Hummer will be the most popular EV in Middle East.

    "In 2012 Saudi Arabia announced plans to invest US$109 billion in solar power. A third of its electricity would be derived from solar. Oil was averaging more than $90 per barrel and continued to do so into 2014. ... By 2030 it wants to install 40GW of solar."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnparnell/2019/01/30/saudis-solar-dreams-why-the-kingdom-cant-have-it-all/?sh=cdb2dee4c637

    "Saudi Arabia is preparing to invest more than $30 billion in the kingdom’s renewable energy sector by 2025 in order to diversify the energy mix, according to media reports."

    "The planned investment in renewable energy is also a part of Saudi Arabia’s plan to boost its economic diversification programme. Over the years, Saudi Arabia has relied heavily on crude oil to fuel its electricity needs."

    "The mega investment is expected to boost the local manufacturing sector and simultaneously create additional jobs."

    "Turki Al Shehri, chief executive at Engie Saudi Arabia told the media, “The diversification of the energy mix goes beyond multiple clean energy sources but also provides the opportunity to create jobs through manufacturing. In parallel to the renewable tenders being issued, efforts are underway to localise renewable manufacturing in the Kingdom.”

    https://internationalfinance.com/2025-saudi-arabia-invest-30-bn-renewable-energy/
  • “A lot of people ask me on the channel to speak to Tesla”

    I’ll pass Elon a note on behalf of your YouTube followers next time I see him.
  • When Musk got into legal trouble for saying he was selling Tesla it was to Saudi Investment Bank. There was likely some talk even if just casual talk between Musk and royal family.

    It would fit the Saudi's investment in sustainable energy.
  • Investment in solar energy doesn't solve the problem of long exposure to excessive heat. In such conditions, the cooling pumps on Tesla's would have to run damn near 100% of the time, which of course shortens the life of those and they are, at in least in the S and X, internal to the pack.
  • > @jordanrichard_629778 said:
    > Investment in solar energy doesn't solve the problem of long exposure to excessive heat. In such conditions, the cooling pumps on Tesla's would have to run damn near 100% of the time, which of course shortens the life of those and they are, at in least in the S and X, internal to the pack.

    I live in Saudi and my regular car battery dies almost once a year from the heat and it is kept in the shade and not driven all that much I cannot imagine how a an electric car battery would cope with 50 degrees in the shade before it starts driving or charging
  • > @phelo said:
    > I live in Saudi and my regular car battery dies almost once a year from the heat and it is kept in the shade and not driven all that much I cannot imagine how a an electric car battery would cope with 50 degrees in the shade before it starts driving or charging

    The Tesla thermal management system would run the A/C and route it to cool the batteries, so that shouldn't be a problem. (The 12V battery in the Tesla, of course, will need replacement more often, as that doesn't have any thermal management.)
  • Rxlawdude, the problem is even by Tesla’s own advice, cars are not to be kept in temperatures above 122 degs. 50 degs C is pushing that envelope and I am sure there are many times it gets above that in the Middle East.
  • Is the Middle East really even inhabitable without extreme heat management, it’s only going to get worse before it gets better
  • Hey I'm saudi and sorry we don't need your cars ,, we don't have time to stop every 200, 300, 600 km to charge batteries add to that no stations are available at all and never going to be more than gas stations.. we want Tesla stocks and sell them again when caring environmentally people buy your cars more and more... filling 1L of gas here is cheaper than buying a 1L bottle of water in London or US.
    > @rxlawdude said:
    > > @phelo said:
    > > I live in Saudi and my regular car battery dies almost once a year from the heat and it is kept in the shade and not driven all that much I cannot imagine how a an electric car battery would cope with 50 degrees in the shade before it starts driving or charging
    >
    > The Tesla thermal management system would run the A/C and route it to cool the batteries, so that shouldn't be a problem. (The 12V battery in the Tesla, of course, will need replacement more often, as that doesn't have any thermal management.)

    > @rxlawdude said:
    > > @phelo said:
    > > I live in Saudi and my regular car battery dies almost once a year from the heat and it is kept in the shade and not driven all that much I cannot imagine how a an electric car battery would cope with 50 degrees in the shade before it starts driving or charging
    >
    > The Tesla thermal management system would run the A/C and route it to cool the batteries, so that shouldn't be a problem. (The 12V battery in the Tesla, of course, will need replacement more often, as that doesn't have any thermal management.)

    > @phelo said:
    > > @jordanrichard_629778 said:
    > > Investment in solar energy doesn't solve the problem of long exposure to excessive heat. In such conditions, the cooling pumps on Tesla's would have to run damn near 100% of the time, which of course shortens the life of those and they are, at in least in the S and X, internal to the pack.
    >
    > I live in Saudi and my regular car battery dies almost once a year from the heat and it is kept in the shade and not driven all that much I cannot imagine how a an electric car battery would cope with 50 degrees in the shade before it starts driving or charging
  • Oh boy wouldn’t want to be in Saudi when the world stops buying fossil fuels.
  • > @Spuzzz said:
    > Oh boy wouldn’t want to be in Saudi when the world stops buying fossil fuels.

    I don't know, if they have massive solar power with solar powered water desalinization and hydrogen fuel production could be self sufficient in energy and food via hydroponics.
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