Model 3

Am I Crazy?

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  • edited July 2019
    I still have the original tires at about 1400 miles. I sure wish there was a better tire as the road noise could be better.

    I dropped the pressure to 39 and it helps a little but I still wish the model 3 was smoother on the highway.
  • edited July 2019
    @sixstring09,
    Would you give up handing for a smoother ride?
    Or, would you spend more for an S, or perhaps a future air suspension option?

    The 3 is a fantastic balance between comfort and sportiness. Wouldn't you agree?
  • edited July 2019
    I don’t find the stock tires as noisy as the wind blowing over the beautiful glass roof. That said, I’m not particularly bothered by the overall cabin noise such as it is. Doesn’t seem noisy to me.
  • edited November -1
    I am ususally enjoying the awesome sound system /shrug
  • edited November -1
    Just make sure whomever you choose knows the proper jacking points/procedures for the Model 3. You don't want them damaging the battery housing.
  • edited July 2019
    Well, I have come to my senses and cancelled my Tesla SC tire replacement appointment.
    Costco struck out this morning.... had to talk W speed range due to car config, which went back to a high performance tire rather than a touring tire that I am wanting to aim at. Their price was significantly better though. But requiring membership, etc.... pushed me in another direction.

    Instead I have simply ordered a set of Model 3 lift pads from Amazon, and these from Tire Rack:

    BFGOODRICH
    ADVANTAGE T/A SPORT (H- OR V-SPEED RATED)
    235/45R18
    Style: Blackwall
    Load Range: XL
    Serv. Desc: 98V
    UTQG: 600 A A

    Delivered to the shop 8 miles down the road I've dealt with for years. The owner is looking forward to seeing my Tesla again - I stopped by and showed it to him after I bought it. We spoke on the phone today, discussed the jacking pads and torquing, and he is looking into Model 3 tire replacement in preparation for the work.

    These replacement tires are considered touring tires, and should get longer tread wear than the OEM tires or replacement performance tires. I will end up saving $400-$500 from the $1400+ price quote from Tesla, while giving an honest and well run local business some understanding of the future.
  • edited July 2019
    "I will end up saving $400-$500 from the $1400+ price quote from Tesla, while giving an honest and well run local business some understanding of the future."

    Two thumbs up.

    Frankly, Tesla would be better off if their service center could focus more on tech issues rather than routine generic issues. It's a bit of a revenue hit, but probably better for everyone in the long term.

    Also, if Tesla could partner with local businesses for routine stuff that would be even better - tire service, wiper blades, inspections, level one diagnostics etc.
  • edited July 2019
    Like I mentioned earlier....the Dublin SC has now partnered with a local tire shop to handle the tires.

    Biggest reason is the SC by law cannot provide a warranty on the tire like a tire shop can.
  • edited November -1
    vmulla, agreed. When I first showed my car to Wayne (the shop owner) it was obvious from his expression that he was thinking about lost future revenue, while the young men working for him were mainly eyeballing the tech and build, and talking about working on this type of car in the future. I did not push the conversation into that direction myself....It would be best if there is a viable and sustainable path forward for local small businesses like that one as we move into the EV landscape.
  • edited July 2019
    @gballant4570

    Any reason you went with that particular tire? It will likely be a little bit longer before I need tires, but I look at my options from time to time. Knowing that I want a moderately high performance all season tire with good noise and comfort ratings, Tire Rack's tire selection algorithm always steers me towards the Vredstein Quatrac 5. The Michelin CrossClimate always seems to get top billing but is considerably more expensive, while the Bridgestone you selected is also suggested as a one of the top 3 picks but has lower scores than the Vredstein in most categories, according to Tire Rack's testing, with a higher price, to boot. Not trying to second guess your choice - just wondering if you saw the same recommendations from Tire Rack and if so, if you dismissed the Vredstein for some reason (less known brand?)?

    Thanks!
  • edited July 2019
    Tire shops and manufacturers should like the switch to electric vehicles... at least if they have regen braking. More wear on the tires means more tires needed sooner
  • edited July 2019
    Did you have any luck getting pro-rated warranty credit from Michelin? 13.5k miles is pitiful for primacy tires with tread-wear guarantee of 45K on a W speed-rated vehicle.
  • edited July 2019
    Also, for those of you experienced with run-flats, any perspective on whether they are worthwhile. WIth no spare tire, I like the idea of run-flats to at least get off the highway and into a safe spot. Bridgestone makes a run-flat for the model 3.

    https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=DriveGuard&partnum=345WR8DGXLRFT&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Tesla&autoYear=2018&autoModel=Model 3&autoModClar=Rear-Wheel Drive
  • edited July 2019
    My Model X has 30,000 on it & 4/32 tread left on original tires.

    Is it just me or is that pretty good wear?
  • edited July 2019
    @TexasBob

    I had Bridgestone Driveguard tires on my last car (not a Tesla). I bought them because I was tired of suffering blowouts from potholes on I-285, Atlanta's Perimeter highway. They do indeed work as advertised - if you suffer a blowout, they will likely safely get you to a destination within 50 miles (albeit at a reduced speed of up to 50 mph, if memory serves me), allowing you to avoid changing the tire while on the highway. That said, once the tire has performed that task, it is indeed shot, so road hazard is a must.

    I will say that they seemed to suffer blowouts more often than conventional tires I had previously had on the same vehicle. That could be due to the strengthened sidewalls, which likely have less give, making them more susceptible to rupture. But it could also be due to the continuous deterioration of I-285 - I am sure that the roadway got quite a bit worse in the seven years I had that car.

    For what it's worth, reviews do indicate that the Driveguard tires do run more quietly and comfortably than traditional run flats, and I did find them to be fairly comfortable - similar to most other all season tires I have had.

    Fortunately, with the Model 3, my AFV licence plate allows me to drive in the HOV lane on I-75 without a passenger, and so 285 and its wretched potholes are less of a concern for me now. *knock on wood *
  • edited July 2019
    eplaskett, I didn't use the Tire Rack questionnaire - I generally find that if I look at all available, I'll make a choice that was not shown in the questionnaire results. My choice was based on a desire for longer tire wear, along with shooting for a good combination of quality and price. Customer reviews also came into the picture. The scores I was looking for were all season traction, tread wear, and not necessarily performance ratings. My driving habits, style, types of roads, etc.... all point me toward a touring tire. I can be quite satisfied with a tire that lasts a calendar year. I am thinking at this point anything called "High Performance" or "Ultra Performance" won't wear any better than the OEM's. I am also certain that touring tires will not result in any performance disappointment on my part, but time will tell - perhaps I will learn something. My search results showed a Vredstein tire, but its tread wear rating of 400 was lower than the OEM tire's rating - so I did not even consider it. I was considering the Michelin Pilot Sport tire (tread wear 500) to be equivslent to the OEM tire, rightly or wrongly.

    TexasBob, I agree that 13k miles is quite sad, but I gauged my likely success with tire warranties many years ago and stopped fooling with them. In my view they are more trouble than anything else, and I never drive tires on their last mile. The OEM's I'll get rid of have around 4/32 tread left on them now - quite a few owners would drive them another several months. A warranty claim would likely end up with a Michelin rep claiming they are still good. I have gotten rid of many tires that end up on a used tire rack for sale.... these may not be quite good enough for that, but they will soon leave my possession anyhow. If I can make a set of tires last 12 months, I'm generally happy. I don't use winter/summer tires, so my preferred approach is new tires in October. I'm a bit early this year, but I'll shoot for getting back onto that schedule.
  • edited July 2019
    @gballant4570,
    Just for everyone to know. The tire warranty with Michelin was quite painless.
    This is the process.
    - I called Michelin to start a tire claim
    - Michelin gave a reference number and a phone number. I was told to make an authorized Michelin dealer call with the odometer reading and tire depth
    - Michelin folks and Tire Dealer talked to each other
    - Michelin discount a portion of my next purchase at the tire dealer
    Option B -- I replaced my tires replaced with Michelins elsewhere(Costco in my case), send the receipt to Michelin. Michelin sent a check for the discount amount in about 5 weeks. (I went with Option B)

    It seems long, but it was actually really painless - just hope for smart, helpful customer service folks who can understand what you're trying to do and work with you.
  • edited July 2019
    "Well, I have come to my senses and cancelled my Tesla SC tire replacement appointment.
    Costco struck out this morning.... had to talk W speed range due to car config, which went back to a high performance tire rather than a touring tire that I am wanting to aim at."

    Because the RWD M3 clearly cannot exceed the speed of a V rated tire, Costco will indeed fit V rated tires with the customer signature agreeing that these are not the same speed rating as the OEMs.
  • edited July 2019
    @gballant4570

    Thanks for the detailed reply. Your explanation makes sense. If you wouldn't mind coming back here after a little while to let us know how you like the tires you selected, I would greatly appreciate it. I am particularly interested in road noise - noise on concrete freeways is one of the sole things I would like to improve with my car.
  • edited July 2019
    Sorry for the long post here - feel free to ignore as needed.

    I have 18" Michelin Primacy MXM4 235/45/-18 98W on my Model 3, of course (Tesla OEM). Now just at 3/32" at 22k miles and need replacement - I am actually late, considering I like to replace at 4/32 for this reason: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/videoDisplay.jsp?ttid=85 because I am always concerned about wet weather driving.

    Fortunately, it is not raining here much at this time, so I pushed the limits a bit. I should have changed at about 18 to 19k miles.

    Also, since I do not drive in cold weather or snow, I plan to replace with the tire that Tesla provides for the 19" and 20" wheels: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 245/45-18 with a load index of 98 and speed rating of Y. From Costco or America's Tire - we do not need to to get "Tesla tires" as someone once asked about!

    The overall outcome should be reduced tire noise on highways, better handling (wet and dry), braking (wet and dry), but worse tread life.

    Yes, I expect my tread life to drop quite a bit because of the softer stickier formulation (300 vs 500 tread wear index), If I get 15k life from the Pilot Sport 4S, I will be satisfied.

    Some things for everybody to keep in mind for our cars:

    1. We have relatively heavy cars. So a load index of 98 (or higher) is best. Lowest to ever consider is 96 - anything below that could be a problem with premature tire noise and worst case, failure.

    2. Do not use summer tires in snow or cold weather. The Pilot Sport 4S, for example, should never be used even near to freezing temps - they will become rock hard and slide easily.

    3. If you are in cold weather, use All-Seasons like the Primacy, or if you spend months in snow area every year, get a set of cheap wheels with snow tires. Almost any brand/model of snow tire will be better than excellent All-Season tires in snow.

    4. As tires flex, internal wear leads to belts fraying (not visible) over time. So, a quiet tire today could become much noisier and require more regular rebalancing, etc. before the tread wears out. In this regard, Michelin gives you a great start - they X-Ray every tire to make sure that the manufacturing was great to begin with.

    5. Check the date code - tires older than two years should not be used (I aim for 1 year or less). Tire rubber starts hardening ("vulcanizing") after manufacture, with a usable life of 5 to 6 years max. After which they will micro-crack, even without any tread wear! Unsafe. This is more important if you put wheels away in winter for snow tire use.
  • edited July 2019
    Thanks vmulla. I am definitely going the warranty route when the time comes if I stick with Michelins. I did note that Michelin has just upgraded its warranty (june 1) to include:
    Flat Tire Assistance
    • The 3 year flat tire assistance program will expand to a more comprehensive roadside assistance program including:
    o FlatTireChangeout
    o Freetowingupto150miles
    o Fluiddelivery(gas,water,etc.)* o Lockoutservice
    o Batteryjumpstart
    • There is no additional cost to our dealers or your customers for this upgraded service.

    https://www.tirerack.com/images/pdf/warranty/MI0619.pdf
  • edited November -1
    For what it's worth, I had Continental tires with their "ContiSilent" foam on my Volt previous to getting a Model 3, and they were much, much quieter than the tires they replaced. They're available though a good number of sources.
  • edited July 2019
    @TexasBob

    That is really good news ... particularly the free towing for 150 miles. I travel down to Southern California from the Bay Area occasionally, and do worry about not having a spare.
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