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Free Unlimited Supercharging Removed Without Notice?

edited November -1 in Model S
2014 P85 lost free supercharging a couple weeks ago. Didn't notice until suddenly charges appeared on account and I received emails asking for payment method. As most here are probably aware all P85 prior to 2017 came with unlimited supercharging that transferred to next owner, I'm the 2nd owner. Anyone else experience this? Phone support was unable to assist and said I would have to wait on response from email support, few days with no response.
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  • edited August 2019
    Did you buy it from Tesla or a third party? It has been reported that Tesla is removing it from all used cars that they resell.
  • edited November -1
    Could be a clerical error or real if it was a recent purchase from Tesla, as noted above.
  • edited November -1
    Purchased from a 3rd party. Free supercharging was properly displayed on the account after transfer of ownership, it was 2 months later before it disappeared. I know Tesla had started removing it from CPO vehicles around the same time this happened to me, certainly within their rights to remove features from a car they own before reselling it but removing items of value from a car they don't own is very different. Hopefully just an error but have heard of at least one other owner affected.
  • edited August 2019
    Can't say for sure, but I'm fairly certain there's some documentation somewhere that free supercharging on older cars stays with the car through the life of the car. May have to do an internet search, but I "think" that was more of an option that stayed with the car. They charged $2,000 for it on the 60 kwh cars and it was effectively an option, similar to Auto Pilot. That should stay with the car. Would be like them taking AP away from cars previously sold with it. Or even taking away a physical option on the car.

    Agreed, they can do what they want with their CPO cars as they own them and can remove wheels, AP and whatnot, but to take something away from someone who owns the car isn't right. Unless of course there's documentation somewhere relating to that particular car that says they can.
  • edited August 2019
    I am selling my 2014 S 85 and my account still clearly states free unlimited SC transfers with a sale to a private party - so hopefully you can correct your issue.
  • edited November -1
    Just got an email response from Tesla, they are claiming they can and are removing this from all 3rd party sales contrary to their own terms on these vehicles. "Thank you for contacting Tesla! My records indicate that you purchased this vehicle from a third-party seller. Unfortunately as of April 23rd, 2019, all Tesla vehicles purchased at third-party dealers/vendors will lose their unlimited Supercharging statuses. There may have been a slight delay in some credits disappearing as our systems had to implement the change fleet-wide. I apologize for the inconvenience."
    I responded insisting this be escalated for an official justification as this contradicts not only the original terms but also the terms displayed on my Tesla account after I purchased the vehicle.
  • edited August 2019
    You wrote in an earlier post that you purchased your Tesla from a 3rd party. Please clarify if the 3rd party was a "dealer/vendor" or the individual who owned the car. Just wondering how far this new policy goes. Thanks
  • edited August 2019
    Jared - when did they tell you that? The date I've been tossed was July 19th for the policy change, but I never had Unlimited - I'm just trying to get it added on for now.
  • edited August 2019
    Not the position I would have expected Tesla to take since they are now offering free unlimited with new cars.

    Perhaps they want to keep it to the first owner - so the only way to get free unlimited is to buy it new from Tesla, or get one of the early cars with transferrable free unlimited in a private sale.

    I think you have a claim against the third-party seller since it is missing an important feature they sold you.
  • edited August 2019
    "I think you have a claim against the third-party seller since it is missing an important feature they sold you."

    I think there's a claim against Tesla, for changing explicit terms without notice.
  • edited August 2019
    Yodrak, my purchase was from a 3rd party dealer not from an individual. Although I'm not sure there is any way they would be able to know that if I didn't mention it. I don't think dealers would typically go through the transfer of ownership process with Tesla so on the surface the purchaser would appear to be the 2nd owner unless they took the time to review details of ownership paperwork submitted or search title history.
  • edited August 2019
    Huachipato, they sent me that response just this morning. Your July 19th date makes sense to me as I can tell that is the exact date my kwh balance stopped replenishing. Regardless of what date they are claiming I never received any notice, nor have I heard of anyone else receiving a notice of this change.
  • edited August 2019
    This has become the way of things in 2019. No means of contact other than email and a response (if one comes at all) of "Thank you for contacting Tesla. Up Yours! Have a nice day." They also reached out to me to offer ludicrous for free, pointing out it is a "$20k value". That means nothing at all to me. It's great that it can be done, technically but I really don't care if my car can go 0-60 in 2.0 when I'm on my way home from Trader Joe's. The big sticking points were A) Loss of pano roof, B) Loss of "premium connectivity" (not a big deal in terms of $ but the principle of the thing) C) Loss of unlimited supercharging which was never "free". It was a $2500 adder to my car when I bought it and there was no way not to have it. I did want it, so I was fine and someone has to pay for the infrastructure.

    This is just another installment of Tesla has no idea what it is doing and as mentioned above, a new gimmick almost every day. I'll add, a new buggy update once a week. This is a complete breakdown of C3 (Command, Control, Communication) within the company which seems to charge off in forty directions at once. They must get this under control and they need to do it now.

    And while I'm on it, what the hell would be wrong in offering unlimited supercharging as an option for say $4k? Pay once and never think about it again. Even lay out terms so that it ends when you sell or trade the car. Be transparent about it, not changing terms in the middle of the night. Since only a few would ever use that much energy (even at 0.28/kwh), this would be a great way to bring in extra cash which would not have to go out in goods or services right away. Offer it on all models. It's a no-brainer, unless one is in Tesla management.
  • edited November -1
    "I think there's a claim against Tesla, for changing explicit terms without notice."

    IANAL, but how would he have a claim against Tesla with whom he has no contract? The third-party also has no contract with Tesla. Isn't it the original owner who would have a claim against Tesla?

    Regardless, I think it is petty of Tesla even if what they are doing is legal. They should simple have all the old cars keep free supercharging until Tesla buys them.
  • edited August 2019
    The vehicle was sold with explicit language that FUSC was transferrable to subsequent owners. This buyer has a copy of the original MVPA. Technically, privity runs to the seller that sold to the current owner, but that doesn't change the analyses that Tesla in multiple venues over several years marketed FUSC as transferrable. In fact, I believe the language was along the lines of, "it follows the VIN, not the owner."
  • edited November -1
    RXLAWDUDE is correct. The language is very clear on these vehicles, prior to my purchase it stated "You have free, unlimited Supercharging for your current Tesla. If you choose to sell your current Tesla, free Supercharging will transfer to the next owner." Seeing this prior to purchase and still seeing it on my account after transfer of ownership makes the case very clear to me, they have devalued my vehicle by removing an included feature post-sale.
  • edited August 2019
    So the first owner sells to the dealer, and Tesla transfers FUSC to the dealer.

    Does Tesla now have an obligation to transfer it from the dealer to the next owner, or would the dealer's FUSC say it is for as long as they own the vehicle?
  • edited August 2019
    Technically they could make that shady argument that the dealer counts as the "next owner" although I don't think dealers generally bother going through the transfer of ownership process so as far as official Tesla account holders I would only be the 2nd owner. Not to mention the language was carried forward to my account long after my transfer of ownership was completed.
  • edited August 2019
    Mine still states "You have free, unlimited Supercharging for your current Tesla. If you choose to sell your current Tesla, free Supercharging will transfer to the next owner."
  • edited August 2019
    Pete, when did you purchase and was it from Tesla direct or a private seller/dealer? I would take a screenshot of that along with your VIN should it suddenly disappear.
  • edited November -1
    I have a feeling that this is something that Tesla will be walking back in the near future...
  • edited August 2019
    @rxlawdude - get to work! Aren't you an attorney? Stand up for the Tesla community and advise Tesla of the error of their ways.

    They can't simply change their mind and change contract terms without agreement from the owner of the vehicle. If I take my car in, they can't say, we don't want you to have a 100D battery, so we changed it out for a 60 kWh battery. Supercharging was treated as a tangible option, not a temporary service benefit. Just like AP or FSD. Again, if they own the car, they can do what they want with it, but if they haven't owned it since it was new, they're in the wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Just need someone to stand up to them so they correct it, which they've done in the past when they've tried to make similar moves.
  • edited August 2019
    I bought my 2016 90D from an independent dealer. It came with lifetime free supercharging. I just checked the status on tesla.com. It still says lifetime, and transferable to the next buyer.
  • edited August 2019
    @2015, sorry, while I do know a thing or two about
    consumer and contract law, I don't practice in that area of law.
  • edited August 2019
    Teslavie, when did you purchase your 90D? They are claiming they stopped honoring these terms on April 23rd although I have yet to see any published announcement or notice sent to owners regarding this devaluation of their private vehicles.
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