Model 3

Suggestion: Lane Position Control

edited November -1 in Model 3
I am sure that someone has suggested this before, but maybe if it gets suggested enough, they will do it.

My suggestion is the ability to control where in the lane the car drives. In general, the car stays to the middle of the lane. But, maybe on a major highway, if you are in the left lane, you want it to go more towards the left side of the lane. Or maybe you are coming up on a large truck hugging the line and you just want to adjust over to give them more space. I have heard this suggested in reference to Motorcycles in California, where they are allowed to ride down the middle of the lane, so being able to bias to one side or the other allows for more room. For me, I am on one lane each way roads a lot, with large shoulders, I would prefer the car ride more towards the outside line.

As for control of it, allow the user to choose in a setting for the right steering wheel control, have the left/right motion be either to adjust the lane position or change the following distance. I know I would probably adjust the lane position more than I would adjust the following distance.

Thoughts?

Related, is there any good way to get suggestions to the engineers working on the software for things like this? Other than posting here hoping that they do read them occasionally?

Thanks
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  • edited November -1
    that goes against everything Tesla is trying to do. They want the car to drive and decide not you. If you want to drive, than drive.
  • edited November -1
    I will not allow bikes to push me into the debris field. Lane splitting needs to go away. Center of lane is safest for us. I never see cars in #2 lane move to the right putting them dangerously close to #3 lane vehicles.
  • edited November -1
    Along those lines, then I think the suggestion is, have the car do a lot better lane positioning on it's own. So it knows that there is more room on one side or the other and can be "safer" there. I know that we have this one pretty sharp turn in the road, and the car stays right at the middle of the lane, but it does impact other drivers, because people tend to cross over towards inside of the curve. If you are on the inside lane, you cross over the white line into the shoulder some, and the people in the outside lane either get really close to the yellow or cross it. Yes, I know that the car should not have to deal with bad behaviors from other drivers, but until every car is autonomous or we have Tesla only roads, we have to drive with other drivers.

    My example of the large truck on the highway, I would love for the car to "know", that truck is right on the line, i have space on the other side, let me give a little more space there.
  • edited August 2019
    Rather than having me set some left/center/right preference, I'd rather the lane positioning algorithm got smarter or more human-like (whatever exactly that means).

    Even in your original post, you cite scenarios where it might be better to be more to the left or more to the right. I don't want to keep tweaking it.

    The one that comes up for me most often is the 18-wheeler running close to (or on) the lane line beside me. I'd very much like Autosteer to "cheat" away from the truck, especially if the opposite lane is open or a wide shoulder. In short, do what a human driver would probably do.

    I bet this is coming at some point...
  • edited August 2019
    Better to allow driver to move 1 foot or so to either side of a lane without cancelling AP when it is needed for lane splitting or for avoiding potholes , small objects, etc..
  • edited November -1
    says you, it goes against everything Tesla is trying to do. If they feel that makes the driving experience safer they will change the cars AI to move out of the middle. Adding more user driving controls is the opposite of what they need to or want to do.
  • edited August 2019
    @joshan,

    As if you know everything ‘Tesla is trying to do’ LOL. Is Tesla trying to do to avoid objects on the road?
  • edited August 2019
    Tesla #1 objective per Elon is FSD. Driver aids to band-aid are not FSD. Seems fairly obvious. Can you imagine the FUD campaign that would ensue on how AP sucked so bad they had to dummy it down?
  • edited August 2019
    IF and WHEN FSD comes, they can take the ‘band-aid’ off, meanwhile it helps to give driver some freedom to maneuver over some hazardous conditions while on AP, it is not mutual exclusive.
  • edited November -1
    I would not hold me breath if I were you. The chances IMO or between 0% and 0% but good luck. I use AP/NoaP literally everywhere I drive and do not have any issues . /shrug.

    I only take it out for weird areas, stop lights, stop signs and turns.
  • edited November -1
    I do not ‘hold breath’ for anything, including FSD, but I do hold hope that Tesla does something about it before FSD.
  • edited August 2019
    Not sure what the exact gesture should be, but this would be a great way to train the 'net to act more naturally, esp if you allow data
  • edited August 2019
    I agree with the Joshan's comments that adding controls like this goes against what Tesla is trying to accomplish. From Tesla's point of view, the car can (and should) stay within the lane better than you can. If you need (vs. want) to be able to tweak lane position, we can't get to real full self driving.
  • edited August 2019
    @joshan

    Your same logic would apply to auto lane change settings (from Mild to Mad Max), yet Tesla implemented those, because for now, in the pre-FSD world, they make sense.

    Ideally, (E)AP should be able to place you in the safest spot in your lane relative to other traffic and barriers, rather than just centering you there. Absent that being automated, it would be nice to have a toggle to bias towards the right or left. I know when I pass a semi, I like to give them as much room as possible, particularly when there's a crosswind.
  • edited November -1
    I was driving today with TACC and next to a semi and something flashed on the screen that it auto tpok over the car. Everything seemed normal to me but let's say you're driving and a semi just happens to go over the line into your lane, or comes a little too close to you on the side, does the Tesla automatically move over so its not in the center of the lane?
  • edited August 2019
    More intelligent lane positioning would certainly be nice, but I don't think adding manual controls is in the cards.

    I do a lot of driving on fairly narrow back roads with curves, and a lot of high-speed traffic coming the other way including big rigs. When there's a big rig 6" from the centerline coming the other way and I'm cornering to the right, I certainly don't want to be in the middle of the lane, I want to be hugging the right edge of the road as much as possible. In situations like these, autopilot trying to stay bang-on the center of the lane creates far more stress than it takes away.
  • edited August 2019
    I would also appreciate a way to tell Autosteer to cheat left or right. There are a number of cases where it's required (being passed, lane splitting), or just desired (narrow shoulder, big truck) - therefore I see nothing wrong with asking for it. As far as consistency with Tesla's vision for FSD - this is a great way to learn! If users are making those changes manually, then the neural net should consider the sensor input at the time and possibly anticipate the "cheat left" or "cheat right" behavior automatically in the future.
  • edited August 2019
    Who says the users who are tweaking the lane position are good drivers and should contribute to fleet learning? No thanks.
  • edited August 2019
    @EVRider, +1
  • edited August 2019
    I would really like the ability to make autosteer not try and stay in the centre of the lane. Often I am in the right hand lane where there is a shoulder on right right and traffic on the left. So it makes sense to me to allow more room between this car and the others (that certainly may not be in the centre of the lane).
  • edited August 2019
    I would really like the ability to make autosteer not try and stay in the centre of the lane. Often I am in the right hand lane where there is a shoulder on right right and traffic on the left. So it makes sense to me to allow more room between this car and the others (that certainly may not be in the centre of the lane).
  • edited November -1
    FWIW, I think it (FSD) is and should be an evolution to FSD, starting with basic driver aids (or similar) to what all other cars have already as safety aids, e.g, Subaru Eyesight. I really don’t give a rats arse what Musk says, does it smokes, but do care about Tesla and the journey they are on.
  • edited November -1
    EVRider "Who says the users who are tweaking the lane position are good drivers and should contribute to fleet learning? No thanks."
    but but this is how neural nets generationally learn. by taking the millions/billions of miles of camera/control data by all us drivers along with artificial/cg 'camera' data and creating a driving model which gets converted to a bajillion nodes in your car's MCU's net.
    exception events, like when a driver would tweak a lane position like OP's suggestion, would be sent in special packets to further help the training model.
    centering is a pre-built behavior probably, but is certainly open for tweaking, and surely will be (with help from us and input like op's suggestion)
  • edited August 2019
    I head for the right edge of the lane on two lane roads when there is oncoming traffic. Tesla should allow this with auto steer.

    Two reasons:

    First, it puts more space between me and approaching traffic and space is your friend.

    Second, the second car in an oncoming line can see me sooner and not attempt a pass into me. It also gives me more time to get off the lane onto the right shoulder to avoid the idiot.

    For what it is worth, a good definition of a safe driver is one who has not had to lock his brakes to avoid an accident in the past ten years.

    Me, not even a fender bender in the past sixty years.

    Frsnk
  • edited August 2019
    Yes, my wife and I often come out of Autopilot when a truck in the next lane is crowding us. I hope Autopilot will become a little more aware of driver comfort level in such situations.
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