Model 3

Youtube videos are going to screw us all

edited October 2019 in Model 3
Just as what happened with the original Auto Pilot where people just couldn't resist posting their stupidity on Youtube, Tesla eventually had to add so many restrictions to AP that it ruined for the majority who use it responsibly.

In just a few days, already seeing countless idiotic youtube videos of people abusing Enhanced Summon. So, enjoy it while you can because soon enough, there will be "news" reports of these idiots causing accidents with "driverless" cars and Tesla will again have to add restrictions to ruin it for rest of it.

Just posting in, probably a useless plea, to people to please not post your stupidity for all to see. I would say use it responsibly and COURTEOUSLY, but I know that's a waste a breath. But, please, at least don't advertise if for all to see on youtube. Don't ruin it for everyone.

Tesla will still learn from the data they extract from your car's computer. The videos showing stupid acts accomplish nothing positive. They just bring to light, that a select few are not responsible enough to handle this technology responsibly. And because Tesla can't isolate those few out, eventually they'll have to add restrictions to everyone.

AP used to be the greatest thing since slice bread. With all the nags now, because of the above, it's so much less enjoyable than it was originally. If you didn't have a Tesla in 2015/2016, then you don't know what you're missing, but it was INCREDIBLE.

Clearly Enhanced Summon is FAR from perfect and the car has a long way to go before being a true self driving car on its own. But I love having the ability to be part of that process. Just hope that a bunch of what it is capable of doesn't get taken away.

Just a simple plea to please be responsible and courteous to other drivers in parking lots. Use it in a manner that isn't stupid and that doesn't piss off other drivers by having to sit and wait for your car to move because summon disconnected with the car in the middle of the aisle.

Thank you

Reference: Car & Driver: People Are Posting Videos of Close Calls with Tesla's New Smart Summon Feature
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29303234/tesla-smart-summon-self-driving-autopilot/
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  • edited October 2019
    The NHTSA is already chatting with Tesla about smart summon after hearing and seeing the idiot owners that have done exactly that.
  • edited October 2019
    Let's assume there's an accident while using enhanced summon. Who is the driver of the vehicle for insurance purposes?
  • edited October 2019
    If things feel uncomfortable, then major changes are underway. There will be poking, jabbing, slurs, fighting. Lawyers, politicians all in the mix along with those pushing for advancement. It will all settle out, but I came to the realization 15 minutes before reading this, it will require the undesirable public struggle to advance as fast as possible. Lots of us don’t like negative news and look for a well controlled world. That is not where innovation lies.
  • edited October 2019
    My guess is that liability will depend on the severity of the accident. If the car dents another car then the person who initiated the summon would be held liable, that will be just an ordinary insurance case. However suppose something really bad happens such as the car running over a child, then Tesla will be facing the mother of all lawsuits. The person who's car caused the accident will also be held responsible just as they would had they been driving the car but the lawyers for the victim will surely go after Tesla because they are a big fat target and it will be easy to make a case to a jury that they released an unsafe piece of software.
  • edited October 2019
    OP +1
    I’ve said it before..SMART summon.
    So be smart.

    Still Grinning ;-)
  • edited November -1
    @bjrosen,
    Makes sense.

    I expect someone to walk in front of a Tesla on SmartSummon just to make some money.
  • edited November -1
    I couldn’t agree more… It just ticks me off to see these morons posting irresponsible videos on YouTube.
    Biggest offender I’ve recently seen is “Drag times”, where the moron not only did testing in an overly crowded gym parking lot, he posted a follow up video where his car gets pulled over by a cop in a parking lot because he let the car summon through a stop sign… He went ahead and actually posted this on YouTube! Now there’s debate whether it was staged or not but the point is still the same, why would you do something that would make all Tesla owners look like self indulgent a-holes? Well maybe it’s because the poster of that YouTube video comes across as one of the biggest a-holes out there. What a jerk. Thanks for creating more fud, idiot. I strive to be a reasonable poster on these forums, but seeing this irresponsibility rankles me. Come on people (i’m speaking to the irresponsible smart summon people out there), dont screw it for the majority of us, users who have logged nearly 600,000 uses of smart summon.

    And you wonder why you haven’t received an invitation to the EAP club? Really??
  • edited November -1
    (I think I may have popped a forehead vein on that last one…)
  • edited October 2019
    Why did they even release that crap? What a joke. It like putting an 8 year old behind the wheel. Freaking irresponsible.
  • edited October 2019
    You drive the car by either hitting the physical accelerator with your foot or by pressing the button on your phone (this is almost 2020 after all). You are responsible either way. If you got a giant 6 foot box, put it on some temporary wheels and pushed it towards someone, you would be responsible for that too! :)
  • edited October 2019
    Because everyone needs to be a 8 year old at some point. You can't directly be a 20 year old and skip the previous years.
    Why did they even release that crap? What a joke. It like putting an 8 year old behind the wheel. Freaking irresponsible.
  • edited November -1
    @M3phan,
    SmartSummon worked through a stop sign? Ok, there are plenty of stop signs in parking lots, how should that even work?
  • edited October 2019
    I don't think it's that ambiguous as to who is responsible or considered the "driver". Even in any normal car, if you put it in gear and get out and let it roll away into another car, it's not like you can say "I wasn't driving so I'm not liable!" Obviously whoever initiated the motion is responsible.
  • edited November -1
    "Operator" of the car is fully responsible. That's not to say someone couldn't try to sue Tesla. But the instructions make it clear, that if you choose to operate the summon feature, YOU are responsible for the car and anything that happens. The car is not a Level 4 or Level 5 autonomous vehicle capable of operating without a human present to take over.

    I could be wrong, but I don't believe Tesla has lost a lawsuit yet regarding Auto Pilot accidents? Hence, their disclosure and instructions have protected them thus far. Despite there clearly being cases where AP failed. But, had the driver been paying closer attention, could have avoided the accident. Same responsibility exists with the Summon Feature.
  • edited November -1
    Yep, In his video he was in a large private parking lot that included stop signs at the end of the rows before it went onto what looked like a ring row around the parking lot exterior. I’ve seen lots of parking lots that include stop signs in their design. At any rate, His car stopped in previous tests at the stop sign, turned on the indicator, and then turned onto the exterior row, but on his final test it rolled through the stop sign making that turn and that’s when a cop that was in the parking lot saw it and pulled it over. The owner/tester stopped summon at that point and kept filming the cop who was wondering what to do… It was mildly amusing for a moment, but just frustrated me that the self indulgent idiot would post this on YouTube.
  • edited November -1
    PS, the police officer was mildly befuddled and amused at pulling over a driverless car, and the driver/tester got away with no ticket.

    I agree, the driver is always responsible whether he’s sitting in the seat or standing outside remotely controlling.
  • edited October 2019
    Just saw the video from Drag Times. That's as staged as could possibly be. Definitely not real.
  • edited October 2019
    Sure looked like it.
    But the negative backlash it can generate is still the same
  • edited October 2019
    I agree. Goes exactly to my point. People finding ways to be stupid with their cars.
  • edited October 2019
    Why sit in the car and use a game controller when you can stand outside and use your phone as a game controller. This is the ultimate expression of Tesla entertainment. A very unfortunate side effect of pushing the future in a non-controlled responsible environment. Maybe research vehicles with professionals at the controls. What does one really expect? Responsibility by unrestricted owners/drivers. Oh, for utopia to exist.
  • edited October 2019
    That would have to be staged. Parking lots in general are private property, therefore not subject to the normal laws of traffic unless there's either an incident or the owner of the property contacts the police to make a report.
  • edited October 2019
    People keep saying (on other threads too) that just because you're in a parking lot, the police have no jurisdiction. Like you can just do whatever the hell you want without consequence because it's a parking lot. That's NOT true. Can't say for all states and cities, but police can absolutely give you a ticket in a parking lot. The violation codes are indeed different, but you can still be cited for violating the law in a parking lot.
  • edited October 2019
    Has anyone genuinely used the smart summon?

    Is the lateral range always fixed ? Any way to work around?

    Yesterday it was raining heavily and I wanted to use it but I was about 2 cars farther than allowed.
  • edited October 2019
    Isn't Smart Summon in beta? I guess the posters are beta testers (as are we all), although irresponsible "click" beta testers.
  • edited October 2019
    The real problem here is social media. Look at what people do for attention.
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