Model 3

What does FSD feature for $7000 get you really?

edited November 2019 in Model 3
Clarity of what to expect gives better satisfaction about the product.

Help new customers decide based on your perspective. Please share your thoughts of the FSD upgrade as (1)current advantages, (2) advantages that you expect in one year, (3) longer term advantages.

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  • edited November 2019
    I thought the FSD upgrade was currently $4k.
  • edited November 2019
    Current advantage of upgrading to FSD:
    - The car will help you automatically change lanes
    - Can assist your drive from on ramp to off ramp, including lane changes
    - Can automatically park
    - Can perform auto summon in limited circumstances

    Within one year I expect (opinion section)
    - better Autopilot performance
    - autoparking in wider circumstances
    - reacting to traffic signals at larger intersections

    Beyond 1 year expectations (opinion section)
    - Limited FSD that still requires driver monitoring
  • Since I already upgraded to FSD, and FSD was actually part of my Tesla purchase strategy, I need FSD to enable me to say to a judge "don't worry, your honor, my car will drive me" at the appropriate time. I do not have children, so my "you shouldn't be driving any more" conversation is not likely to be with family members.....

    That gives me around 15 years. I may not still own my current Model 3 (but I might) but my FSD purchase will help move things in the direction I a,m looking for.
  • edited November 2019
    @gballant4570
    The FSD upgrade for new customers is $7000

    New customers get Autopilot included - no purchase required.

    The aim of the thread is to help new/potential customers understand what to expect by upgrading to FSD.

    Customers who have EAP can upgrade for $4000, but those folks are existing customers who had the car for several months.
  • edited November -1
    Same thing it got you yesterday for $1000 less
  • I got you - I think of "upgrade" as an after purchase description.
  • edited November -1
    Ha
  • So, in line with my initial strategy, I need FSD to reach full autonomy in ~decade+.
  • edited November -1
    @gballant4570,
    Made changes to the title based on your feedback. Thanks..
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    @lbowroom,
    It makes sense for FSD enthusiasts to clearly make a case for choosing the option while projecting practical expectations for the future. Otherwise I expect there will be misunderstood expectations leading dissatisfaction.
  • One of my reasons for buying FSD is to fund development of the end goal, rather than features today. I have yet to try EAP, but I want FSD to be fully developed.
  • edited November 2019
    fsd will transport you into the future!
  • edited November 2019
    Higher earnings per share.
  • edited November -1
    FSD will bring immense joy or angry regret
  • edited November 2019
    You can witness the progress (or failure) of cutting technology of the world. FSD might be more difficult than landing on the moon.
  • edited November -1
    @pepperidge, I AGREE!!
  • edited November 2019
    I think of it as a preorder for the future functionality where the car will drive/park itself and pick you up and you can read/sleep/watch tv while the car drives you around. The current benefit is very small, but what I paid for is the better stuff that will come out in the future (no idea of timeline) .

    Some people act like this is unprecedented, saying "why would I pay for something that doesn't exist yet?" or "the price increases over time are just a money grab". But this kind of selling strategy happens all the time with crowdfunding campaigns and such. You place a preorder before the product exists with the promise of getting it once it is done. The earlier you buy, the better price you get. As the product gets closer to full release then the price increases toward true market value.
  • edited November 2019
    @pepperidge, you are probably right it is more difficult than landing on the moon. But we landed on the moon 50 years ago and thankfully technology had improved a lot since then. I hope you don't think the capabilities of mankind are limited to what they were in 1969. The right people can accomplish amazing things.
  • edited November 2019
    Yes, to help support Tesla's future development of Level 5, Full Self Driving...
  • edited November 2019
    Nice of the folks who want to support FSD advancements.

    But, what would you tell folks who are on the fence about getting FSD? How would you convince them to choose the $7000 option?
  • edited November 2019
    @vmulla
    I bought FSD on the 3, but I'm not sure I'd add it to a new X, if I decide to buy one. Definitely want to stay in the loop, but not sure I want to spend that much on an already pricey vehicle until it's providing substantially more and something I'd find indispensable. Really nice that they "gifted" rudimentary AP to everyone.
  • edited November -1
    @Bighorn,
    I love it that standard AP is standard on Teslas. It is a serious gut punch for any other manufacturer that claims they have the same kind of capability - any bit of research will help customers see the difference. I welcome other manufacturers catching up to Tesla on standard AP capabilities, but they have a lot to catch up on. Marketing other cars just became that much difficult because of this move.

    On the other hand, this move really hobbles the case for spending $7000 on FSD. Tesla's autonomous features do best in 2 scenarios - bumper-to-bumper traffic, and highway driving. Everything else is still evolving. If AP is available and is already giving fantastic relief from the 2 high-stress driving scenarios for free, what is the case for spending $7000?

    Overall, I think Tesla just poked everyone else in the eye for not doing enough with autonomous tech, but this was done at a cost to Tesla. In my opinion, this will also soften the expectations for FSD advances in the near term.

    A question to back to you (@Bighorn) - Did you mean X or Y? If X, why? (especially since Y is just around the corner)
  • edited November 2019
    @vmulla
    I meant X because all the talk of the Raven with its improvements got me into consumer mode. The size is also good for car camping or pulling a small camper. My wife would like to have an RV which is so antithetical to my evolution with Tesla. One day, maybe the Sprinter conversions or Semi conversions may come to pass, but the X might be a placeholder morese than a Y. It's also available now and we're looking to get rid of our last ICE vehicle, a diesel pick up. A trade in would be a sweet way to dispense with that.
  • edited November 2019
    Let me say this. I, like the rest of you, work very hard for my money. I could not, in good conscious, justify the 5 6 or 7 grand for FSD. I know there are a lot of really nice features. But..... I could not justify that kind of money for an option that may or may not come to fruition. FSD os not at the whim of Tesla and Elon Musk. It is controlled by the federal govt. I do NOT see the Fed Govt passing laws and legislation for FULL FULL FSD, anytime soon.

    Like @pepperidge said, FSD is the modern day equivalent to landing a man on the Moon. The roads and infrastructure, the way ot is laid out today, could NEVER sustain FSD.

    Just my 2 cents
  • edited November -1
    Now that most of my driving is in the dark I’m seriously impressed with autopilot. I’ve been building up its use on the places I regularly drive on my commute route on the single carriageway roads to check it will safely track and handle the corners in the dark and it’s a great safety aid when used properly - similarly with poor weather on the motorway. After around 6.5k miles over the last couple of months I’m learning g what the car will and won’t do and how it reacts to different weather and light conditions.

    We’re restricted in the FSD features that are available here and there are other problems with speed control and lane keeping that don’t map to our roads, but I would very much like the auto lane change feature in isolation to the other parts and could justify paying a couple of £k for it.

    Most days I spend about 3 hours in my Model 3 - often 6 or more. The more driver aids the better, although there is still a lot of room for simple improvements that would be a great help. No other car, other than perhaps and S or X would work for me.
  • edited November -1
    @Pg3ibrew - I very much agree with your last paragraph - especially here in the UK. Road layouts have become increasingly complicated to try and cram more cars into limited space and then control people and their mistakes. The layouts lead to accidents in my opinion. They are very challenging for humans and even more challenging for any level of automation as humans are required to make judgement calls on what they are supposed to do next after the systems fail. The layouts need to be simplified for FSD and the roads need to communicate with the cars.
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