Model 3

The Autopilot Test

edited November -1 in Model 3
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This is the scenario: You have to take a 30 mile trip on the freeway and you are forced to sit in the back seat. You can choose between being chauffeured in a car without AP by kid who got his/her DL a few minutes before the trip or you can choose a Model 3 that has no driver behind the wheel and is using NOA that has nags turned off(no kid no driver at all).
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  • edited November -1
    Autopilot is adaptive cruise, blind side indicators, lane keeping and auto steer. Kid's reactions will be way better than yours and her behavior way more intuitive and predictable than Tesla's AP. Go with the kid.

    Did you confuse Tesla's branded Autopilot with Tesla's branded Full Self Driving?
  • edited November -1
    The car I have was equipped with EAP and later the sent us OTA, for free, NOA. Navigation On Autopilot will make all driving decisions, from onramp to offramp. I am referring to Navigation On Autopilot.
  • edited November -1
    "The car I have was equipped with EAP"@M8B

    Which is not AP but Enhanced AP which in Tesla's confused name du jour is today's "Full Self Driving".

    Perhaps change the title.
  • edited November -1
    Go with AP - the Kid is far more likely to kill you. New drivers as a group have the worst records, and having little driving experience is truly scary on a freeway. Hopefully, the kid will not also be texting too, but who knows?
  • edited November 2019
    Suggestion noted, deliberated with council, and rejected. You lose title stands.
  • edited November 2019
    Yup, I am NOA over kid myself.
  • edited November 2019
    Yeah...AP is not the actual topic but Enhanced AP which is Full Self Driving....maybe OP doesn't know difference but he should redo the title to be accurate since he's not talking about AP in any version.
  • edited November -1
    The test is a choice between No AP at all (that is why the title is relevant and accurate) vs the form of AP I am using (described in the scenario) which is called NOA.
  • edited November 2019
    "vs the form of AP I am using"@M8B

    AP and EAP are as different as AP and Full Self Driving. You are specifically talking about what is now called Full Self Driving. Just wrong terminology in your title. Not sure the what you don't want to correct it but you should.
  • edited November 2019
    Tell ya what sport, you start your own thread with your own terminology. Don't you think that would be a better approach vs being a bully and trying to tell me what to do?
  • edited November -1
    "... you start your own thread with your own terminology"@M8B

    It's Tesla terminology.

    AP is just basic safeties.

    Full Self Driving is what you are describing.
  • edited November -1
    I started driving at 16 and have had no accidents in over 2 decades of driving even on autobahn, in snow, on ice, terrible snowstorms going skiing driving during night time after work shifts finishing at 11PM when I was a student.

    I had same age coworkers who lost their DL after 1 years because of impaired driving, speeding, had over 5 accidents over less than 2 years of driving.

    Age does matter for 10%
    Judgment and responsibility for 90%

    In your story I have only 10% of the information to make a reasonable choice. If the kid had jugement and takes his responsibilities, I would go with the kid.
  • edited November 2019
    Okay, now that you got that off your chest, I do appreciate your initial reply and the reason for your choice so thanks for playing.
  • edited November 2019
    @Maxxer Excellent call. The choice of kid is a random choice. You will have no control over what kid you get. It will be one of thousands granted the privilege everyday (judged by the government deemed fit to drive).
  • edited November 2019
    The Kid. I do have FSD. Freeways way to busy and frequent construction around me for autopilot. NoA would be a disaster. Cannot anticipate the conditions. Just yesterday, upcoming exit, very congested, got into right lane early knowing merging closer to exit would be difficult. I have yet to be able to use NoA without aborting between exit ramps. Even getting on a ramp is an adventure. If in right lane of 2 lane ramp, inevitably starts to crossover to left lane as it curves. In fact, rightward curves always seem to be a problem with vehicle close or crossing over the line on left. The Kid would also see an object on the road to avoid that the car would probably just run over. Lots of scenarios that the Kid would be much better. Maybe, geofenced, previewed, perfect weather, no construction no traffic etc.
  • edited November -1
    I guess I should qualify a bit further. The test would be using NOA in areas where NOA is supposed to work. Places like construction zones are not part of the test because I believe those are already NOA incompatible (I.E. there is a warning not to use NOA around construction zones). If your experience is that NOA is simply not working for you I can see your choice. I guess I have been fortunate for it to work as well as it has for me.
  • For now, I would choose the kid. I travel on a rerouted portion of 422 here in
    Pennsylvania between Reading and Philadelphia. The maps do not recognize the new road and suggests I take an exit that no longer exits.

    I guess if the kid dropped acid before taking the wheel the decision would be difficult. I would be evenly split between NOA and little Timmy Leary.
  • edited November -1
    European kid over American baby boomer. Actually, any kid over baby boomer. Definitely, NOA over baby boomer.
  • edited November 2019
    Based on the current state of my model 3, I pick the kid.

    Based on the future state of my car after it’s service appointment, probably still the kid. The cameras get covered in snow and slush in a matter of seconds.
  • edited November -1
    Kid would have advantage in snow, I am sure, but the test is really limited to conditions where NOA is supposed to work. I think in bad weather you are not supposed to use NOA.
  • edited November 2019
    And if you get in back seat, drive off, and it starts snowing? Good luck.
  • edited November 2019
    AP, EAP, FSD, have no concept of life or death. So I'd pick the kid.
  • edited November -1
    @sycone Are you against all forms of automation that can kill people? How will AI gain your trust so that you trust your life to it?
  • edited November 2019
    Based on M8B’s limitations for this scenario, I would go with the auto pilot. Clean, well marked highways vs. a new teen driver, it’s a no brainer.
    When I first got my driver’s license, I was a pretty good driver. Fast, but alert and thinking ahead. I still got into accidents due to lack of experience. Tesla’s AP errs on the side of caution every time.
  • edited November 2019
    I use EAP 95% of the time now. Why would I want some kid to drive?
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