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First Audi, now Daimler is cutting 10K jobs

edited November -1 in General
Here is the story:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50598673

Switch to electric cars (cough cough, Tesla) is being blamed for this one.

Both Toyota and Daimler had invested in Tesla, only to sell their stake as things got more competitive with their own cars.

Toyota is still in denial, (as is GM) doubling down with a new RWD version of their Mirai.

Bow down to the electric tide, or perish. :-)
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  • edited November -1
    Tesla bankwupt for sure
    All the tezlakillers on the horizon
  • edited November 2019
    But I was told repeatedly that the “Big guys” could pivot to EVs and eat Tesla’s lunch.

    Bankruptcy lulz.
  • edited November 2019
    HOW is it that a good chunk of the auto industry says electric cars are not a thing for the masses at this time AND another part of the industry is cutting jobs because of electric cars?

    I realize the ‘industry’ is not a monolith, but this is crazy!

    Also consider that Daimler has 300k people working for them worldwide according to that link, still jobs lost in the ‘five figures’ is a good chunk.
  • edited November 2019
    GM even says the number one reason (they list 2-3 more, in an article on CNN) people say they won’t buy an EV is lack of charging infrastructure. And they didn’t invest in one of their own.

    Dysfunctional!
  • edited November 2019
    Recently the President of GM cited 3 reasons/hurtles for mass adoption of EVs. Of course they were all based and purposely listed to perpetuate the myths about EVs. Infrastructure being the big one. Clearly, failing to mention that one can charge at home or at work. Also he logic could have easily been listed as reasons why the car couldn’t replace the horse because gas stations were not on every street corner at the beginning. He also cited the minimum range a “consumer clinic” group said they needed. On one hand GM and others pin their entire argument against the need to create a large range EV, on the often quoted, “.....the average commune is only 40 miles a day”. Now they cited people want at least 300 mile range. This thought process is based on the old way/habit of “fueling” up one’s car when the tank is empty and not wanting to refuel until the tank is empty again.
  • edited November -1
    Good thing a new Tesla Gigafactory is coming soon to Germany.
  • edited November -1
    Yep, and some of the brightest engineering stars in Germany will go where the most exciting change is happening.

    The Grohmann acquisition was brilliant business strategy, and a harbinger.

    Germany has fantastic engineering talent. They will add significant thrust to Tesla’s tsunami of new technology.

    German-built Tesla’s will be a great national pride point for Germany, just as China is achieving right now.

    Chinese Tesla staff are visibly excited, and proud to be working for a global leader of essential change.

    Folks in both Beijing and Munich alike, want to better lives with cleaner air.

    What’s not to like if you’re a citizen of any of those countries, or the rest of the world.

    Big scary problems are getting solved.

    Optimism is growing.
  • edited November -1
    +42
  • edited December 2019
    As mentioned above, the charging infrastructure case is SUCH a BS argument! We went with the LR battery because I wanted the peace of mind about range. The SuperCharger system is well-built out in our area. In our first 15K miles, we have used SuperChargers exactly twice. And one of those was more out of convenience/peace of mind than necessity. Most consumers want 300+ mile range and actually need ~40 miles per day.
    So guess what you need to do, OEMs? Sell a 300 mile range vehicle AND build a charging infrastructure. Or don't, and have a pity party when Tesla continues to eat your lunch.
  • edited December 2019
    Cathcold, and what apps are you pushing? What are they the “best” at?
  • edited December 2019
    Jordan,

    AFAIK it’s a streaming tv service. Just flag the spammer.
  • edited December 2019
    With all of these automotive "job cuts" I'd be concerned of the potential for the possibility of corporate espionage should some of the unemployed workers make their way to Tesla ranks...

    It happens.
  • edited December 2019
    With all of these automotive "job cuts" I'd be concerned of the potential for the possibility of corporate espionage should some of the unemployed workers make their way to Tesla ranks...

    It happens.
  • edited December 2019
    Tesla is two steps ahead of them again.

    "Tesla Cuts 3,000 Jobs, Bracing for an Uncertain Future Elon Musk's automaker is laying off 7 percent of its full-time staff as it leans into the tough job of building mass-market cars."

    https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-layoffs-cost-cutting/
  • edited December 2019
    Yeah, they did do that back in January.

    What is Tesla doing now?
  • edited November -1
    I've seldom seen so much misunderstanding as in this thread. Tesla is great but never get high on your own supply! I truly hope that Tesla turns the "Big Three" into "Big Four". But don't think for an instant that any of these layoffs have anything to do with mass adoptions of EVs or that Tesla has caught people flat-footed. It isn't like that at all.
  • edited November -1
    “ But don't think for an instant that any of these layoffs have anything to do with mass adoptions of EVs or that Tesla has caught people flat-footed. It isn't like that at all.”

    It is exactly that.

    Plus entrenched ideology, plus Big Oil, plus Trillions in subsidies, plus bankruptcy, plus emissions cheating.

    It is utterly stupid to anyone with common sense. Completely lacking here.
  • edited December 2019
    "But don't think for an instant that any of these layoffs have anything to do with mass adoptions of EVs or that Tesla has caught people flat-footed. It isn't like that at all."

    So true. Just the down cycle of car sales worldwide. Seen it before, we'll see it again and again. EV sales are minuscule and those are down also since China, leading EV market, cut back on subsidies.
  • edited December 2019
    Darth and Fish, two trolls in a pod. Getting everything consistently and stupidly wrong, over and over again.

    You guys should meet offline and give each other back rubs.
  • edited December 2019
    Despite what the OP link says, it is not due to electrics, you all.

    Please listen to these geniuses who know better than everyone else. Tesla is not great, BEV sales small, ICEVs forever.

    Rah rah.
  • edited December 2019
    @RedShift, what industry isn't constantly optimizing, shifting resources and using automation to be more cost efficient? Some here are reacting as if customers are walking in to dealers and asking, "hey, do you have an EV? No? Ok bye...". This is not the case. Instead at the officer and board level they are saying that those new machines and techniques allow us to meet demand with fewer resources. They are also saying that timing is right to introduce more EVs in the line up in accordance with long planned product roadmaps.
  • edited December 2019
    "long planned product roadmaps" is not the reason other manufacturers are adding EV's to their product line.

    Gawd you are full of horseshit.
  • edited December 2019
    Yeah because a guy named Tabasco thinks EVs, production lines and demand forecast are thought up overnight. You are truly clueless.
  • edited December 2019
    I didn't say any of that. Keep up the nonsense.
  • edited December 2019
    @darth

    “ Some here are reacting as if customers are walking in to dealers and asking, "hey, do you have an EV? No? Ok bye...".”

    That’s not what we are doing. Why do you make it about people? Can’t you just take a story, analyze it for the facts presented? Why do you have to make it about you vs us? Especially since you are one of us?

    I’ve told you before, this is a fan site. You have to get over the fact that people love Tesla with a passion reserved for very special products. Apple had that. Tesla has it.

    You need to let go of your hate. This is not about blind worship of fanboys. It’s more than that.

    We are not dating gasoline will end tomorrow. However, the writing is on the wall, and electric is the future. Your timeline of till 2050... whatever, may be true, maybe not. It’s pointless to argue about that.
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