Gifting Model S and Free Unlimited Supercharging
If I were to gift my model S to a family member, would the free unlimited supercharging stay with the car, or will be it removed once the title changes? I know if I were to sell the car, the FUSC will be gone; this is a 2018 model.I guess we can also look into letting the family member drive the car without changing title, but the insurance issues get complicating. Thanks.
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In NYS, the owner does not have to be the registered operator of the vehicle. In fact, the owner doesn't even need to have a valid driver's license.
Ask me how I know this rule...
Nobody can sell a 2018 with FUSC following on.
Which step is illegal, and constitutes defrauding?
Are you really asking how to defraud Tesla on their own forum?
Which step is illegal, and constitutes defrauding?"
I suppose there might be a gray area since it is staying in the family. But if you transfer title you are changing ownership. It sounds like you are ready to jump through hoops to do whatever it takes to hide the title transfer from Tesla. Doesn't that appear like you're defrauding them?
What hoops am I jumping through? I'm exploring ways to keep FUSC. Does Tesla ever require a different account be used after transfer? In particular, if the transfer is within the family?
IF the agreement you have with Tesla when you bought the car is that the FUSC is transferable then you have nothing to worry about, it will transfer. IF it is NOT transferable then you are trying to transfer a benefit that you are not entitled to transfer. Doing so benefits your family member and is to the detriment (minor, but still) to Tesla.
From your first post it is obvious to me you know the answer already to your question. Keep it in your name and ‘lend’ your car to your family member. Transfer it and lose the FUSC (most likely as you expect). Give the new owner $2k of your own money for a several years worth of charging. Let that person charge at your house (my parents do this for me, mom loves that solar panels on her house power my car).
What is the net difference between lending his car or transferring the title out right? He is not taking anything away from Tesla that he is not entitled to.
This is exactly how red tape stalls the government so often.
I am asking some legitimate questions here. When I sell the car, I understand that Tesla may remove the FUSC feature. In the case of transfer titles within my family, what is the rule? In California, DMV considers selling and gifting to be different, since gifting does not trigger sales tax. Is it illegal to keep that car in my Tesla account after title transfer?
I understand that I can just let the family member drive the car without transferring titles, but I would not want to keep it under my insurance. I think I can keep the title, and have it be insured by someone else, but it gets a bit complicated. And no, that is not fraud either.
I was planning to ask Tesla directly, but just thought people here may have good answers already.
Understand that this question (not gift specific, but FUSC related) has been asked enough times for this to set off an alarm in my head. It is this sentence that set off that alarm ‘ I guess we can also look into letting the family member drive the car without changing title, but the insurance issues get complicating. Thanks.’ That right there looks to ME like you’re trying to transfer the FUSC to your family member when you know that isn’t how it works.
Just transfer the car and see what happens. I *doubt* (but don’t know) that Tesla would differentiate between a gift or sale when it comes to their policy. That is, a transfer is a transfer. So if your FUSC isn’t transferable it isn’t transferable.
I have a question for you- gifting a 2018 Model S is a very nice thing to do, but is there a pretty good tax burden that goes with that? Does the gift-ee have to treat that as income past the $28k or whatever is allowable? I’m guessing you are more versed in this than I am and I only bring it up because I can see where a generous gift like this can backfire. This hasn’t happened to me but I’ve heard about it so that’s why I mention it.
Surely someone here who lives in CA has done this and can give you the real info.
Why does this set off any alarm? And no, I don't know whether FUSC is transferable if if is a gift that stays within the family, hence my questions. Insurance can be complicated since I will be carrying two more people in my policy. Of course, they can be putting that vehicle in their own policy, but I am not clear whether I still have any liability.
There is no tax situation that I am aware with. I plan to transfer later this year. Gifting will be to my son and daughter-in-law.
Gift taxes are rarely paid since you can put it toward your estate tax allowance which is over $20M per couple. Filing a 709 and keeping track of it until death is the biggest hassle.
chungylau- don’t sweat it, that’s how it reads to me. I’m sure your son & daughter-in-law will be thrilled with or without FUSC. I know I would. If I knew you better I would make a joke about marrying into your family
FWIW- my experience with asking questions to Tesla through my car’s web page is that I did get replies, but not as quickly as I thought I should. So if you ask this question through your page it may take over a week but I would bet they get back to you. In theory their response will be the correct one vs what someone here posts with their experience. Keep in mind that the way it worked two years ago for someone with a 2014 S (just an example) may not be how it works now for your car.