CCSE PEV Study Released--EV stats to California

Michael S

This is some really cool stuff I thought you all might want to know about:

The California Center for Sustainable Energy (CCSE) and the California Air Resources Board, in support of the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project, have released the results of the largest plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) owner survey taken in California.


You may access the survey results and in-depth analysis or learn more about the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project, by visiting: www.energycenter.org/pevsurvey.

Brian H

So far, almost all are Leaf owners (96%). In 2 yrs, Model S will rule!

Volker.Berlin

<i>In 2 yrs, Model S will rule!</i> (Brian H)

I don't think so. There will always be more Leafs than Model Ss on the road, at least while both are still produced.

jerry3

Volker,

Except for perhaps the southern states where the Leaf is having a bit of an image problem because of the battery degradation and the stonewalling by Nissan.

Timo

Also at ~$35k compared to basic Model S $57k price difference isn't that big, and you are getting a lot better car with Model S.

When Tesla gets GenIII cars on road something like Leaf is dead unless they do something huge about it too. It's just plain ugly compared to anything...well, anything.

Volker.Berlin

<i>Except for perhaps the southern states where the Leaf is having a bit of an image problem because of the battery degradation and the stonewalling by Nissan.</i> (jerry3)

Don't forget one important factor: Availability. You can just buy a Leaf today, which will not be the case for the Model S for a long time to come, and will also probably not be a possibility (at first) when GenIII hits.

<i>When Tesla gets GenIII cars on road something like Leaf is dead unless they do something huge about it too.</i> (Timo)

It's not like Nissan is sitting around idle. If they were, there would be no Leaf in the first place. They are already now revising and improving it and until GenIII hits the road, the Leaf will be in its third generation at least.

I am not debating which is the better vehicle or even which is the better vehicle for the money. All told, I'm confident that the Leaf will outnumber the total of Tesla vehicles sold for years to come.

jerry3

Volker,

- Don't forget one important factor: Availability. You can just buy a Leaf today

Good luck on that one. I actually tried and not one dealer salesperson in the dozen or so Nissan dealers around here was interested in selling me one. I paid my $99, sent e-mails, changed dealers (on the site), and zip happened.

But unless Nissan does an about-face, I don't doubt you're right about them selling more cars than Tesla for a number of years.

Brian H

Really? More than 20,000 next year? Mebbe so, mebbe no ...

jerry3

Brian,

Right now the Leafs come from one factory Japan in limited quantities. When the Tennessee factory opens up presumably price will come down and availability will go up. This also assumes they haven't poisoned the market with their handling of the hot climate situation. There are quite a few people in the Leaf forum who are "more than upset".

Sudre_

By the time Nissan comes out with yet another Leaf generation (same car, same basic design) Tesla will be out with there 4th car and 3rd platform, GENIII. Tesla will be light years ahead of Nissan who is still kicking the tires on their up coming third generation car that can't get over 100 miles to the charge.... How many tries does it take?
If Nissan can get their price down by about 15K maybe.

jerry3

Nissan can't really afford to make a car that will cannibalize their existing car models so they have a lot of motivation to not make a long range EV. Neither can any other large carmaker. Toyota and GM are getting away with it because their "electric" cars have a gas engine to maintain so they won't face dealer revolt. Toyota's one "real" EV is just for compliance. If they manage to get the law repealed like they did the last time, I'm sure it will be gone faster than you can blink.