Model 3

Got LEAFed

edited November -1 in Model 3
At work there are 2 charging statios for approximately 20 EV owner.
When I get there in the morning there are always the 2 same Volts Charging every morning they get their around 7:30 AM.
The rule is maximum 4h charge, so at noon people run to get their car plugged and there are 2 other Volts that usually get there around 12:15 to plug in till 4PM.
Since I couldn’t charge home and it was -5 I went to plug in at 7PM before starting a case and there was this Bolt charging to 15 minutes on the stall indicator and a Leaf on the 2nd stall plugged in but not charging on the screen indicator with 1 inch of snow on the car meant it was there for minimum 2-3 hours. So that Leaf owner gets to work starting his shift at 4PM, plugs in it’s Leaf, doesn’t start the charge by scanning his EV Flo card, stays there without charging while highjacking à stall. Since I was around 20% and he wasn’t charging from what I could see on the stall screen I unplugged his Leaf, parked on the closest spot and plugged my Model 3. Wrote down on the snow on his car, sorry, was at 20%.

Finally, when I left 3 hours later, having charged 21kWh, his Leaf was still there, so I plugged it back and activated the charge with my EV Flo card so he could charge. I was surprised to receive the usual email from the Flo network that it charged from 9 PM to 11:30 PM for 12 kWh.

It means he gets in, park and plug, doesn’t activate charging till he comes in at the end of his shift scan his card to activate charging and get his battery warm and charged right before leaving. A 2h charge for an 8h LEAFing of à charging spot.

First time this practice comes to my attention.


  • edited November -1
    “ Figuring out charging routine is on me.”

    There goes the neighborhood.
  • edited November -1
    Where I work we have 1,000 ChargePoint L2 charging spots with no time limit. I charge once or twice a week, and do so only when I can charge a full 8 to 9 hours.
  • edited November -1
    1,000?! Wow! Do you work for ChargePoint?
  • edited November -1
    Ken and I must work at the same place. Are they all solar powered too?
  • edited February 15
    The San Diego office of the company I work for has two (I think chargepoints) L2's in the parking area. Ev'ng like that is quite common in the complex. The number of snipes I hear about it. Mostly from a cmax owner aimed at a few repeat offenders ... I'm in New England and we don't have chargers in our complex, so I get to avoid the verbal daggers.

    Still in your case, smart man, leaving with a warm battery in your wintery conditions. You got leafed!
  • Although I don't condone what the OP experienced from the Leaf, I can, possibly explain it from my experience with my Leaf.
    As my Leaf battery had deteriorated with age and heat after about 3 years, I could no-longer make it home with an 80% charge. It was 36 miles with a 1500 ft elevation gain to get home. This created a problem, as I needed a 100% charge to make it home but, if I left my Leaf at 100% all day after charging in the morning, the battery would deteriorate even faster. I couldn't count on getting a charger if I waited to plug in until the afternoon. At that time, we only had about 16 charging stations and EVs were becoming popular.
    The problem was eventually solved with a new battery, a new house further down the mountain, and the installation of a CHAdeMO charger to enable quick charging if I couldn't find a charger temporarily. Later, when we had to move to a new building 5 miles further distance and 300 feet lower in elevation, the Model 3 became available for my freeway fodder; solving it once and for all.
  • edited November -1
    EV owners can be inconsiderate too :(
  • edited February 15
    Can’t imagine being in your situation and the temperature drops and snow starts falling
  • edited February 15
    Unfortunately I see that here once in a while. Usually at places where the EV chargers are right by the front door and people want to use it as a parking space. They park and plug in but don’t charge so if people don’t look closely they’ll think the vehicle is charging. At one of the stores I think it’s one of the employees because every time I go there it’s the same Bolt and it’s plugged in but never charging.

    Maybe your Leaf thought nobody else would be there that late and so it wouldn’t be a big deal? Nice of you to pay for their charging after you plugged their car back in though.
  • @maxxer,
    While I appreciated Nissan's attempt with the Leaf and it has been the most trouble-free, reliable vehicle I've ever had (The Model 3 comes very close), its poor battery design and small size was clearly disappointing.
    Overall, in mild temperatures and flat terrain, it was a great commuter car for ~30 mile commutes (the average). Beyond that, it took some work.
  • edited February 15
    This has nothing to do with car model. I see Tesla drivers do the same thing here. They park in EV parking spots and do not charge.
  • edited February 15
    But parking, plugging, not charging takes premeditation to a whole new level.

    I have never done that and would never do so, ffs, there is 2 stalls for over 20 users, move it, think of others
  • @Maxxer,
    The real issue is there aren't enough chargers. Anything else is just a bandaid since next year, there will be 40 users, 80, the next, 160 the next and so forth. 2 chargers might as well be none.
    Getting hot and bothered about these secondary and tertiary issues is futile.
    - The Leaf folks will claim that Teslas should not be using the few chargers that there are at all since Leafs have to have workplace charging in order to get home while Teslas can charge at home for the round trip.
    - The Volt owners will claim that Leafs and Teslas shouldn't get to use them since Leaf owners are just too cheap to be able to afford a car with a gas engine to enable longer range driving.
    - People who live close to work will claim that they should get priority because they use less energy, hence are 'greener'.
    - People who live a long way from work claim that they should get priority because they 'need' cheaper energy and can't make the round-trip without being able to charge at work.
    - People at the high end of the salary scale claim they shouldn't have to move their cars because they are too important and busy to take the time to move it during the day.
    - People at the low end of the salary scale claim they should have priority because they can't afford Teslas or long rang EVs, hence they need to charge every day at work.
    - People with solar on their roofs claim they should get priority because they're generating electricity during the day and want to use it to be environmentally sustainable.
    - People who don't have easy charging at their home or apartment claim they should get priority because they 'can't' charge at home
    - People who can charge at home don't care about people that can't charge at their home or apartment because they have to pay more for their mortgage or rent.
    - Plug-in Prius owners claim that they should get to use the chargers because they are Prius drivers - the first affordable 'green cars'.
    In summary:
    Choosing who gets priority to a scarce resource is tough. The only thing everyone can agree upon is that they should get the priority. The ability of mankind to justify and rationalize why it should be them is probably the place where mankind's creativity is at its greatest! Unless handled extremely wisely, this only causes wars.
    With something a cheap and easy as workplace charging, scarce only because of lack of vision, the only smart answer is to add more chargers.
  • edited February 15
    Right, it will be fun when a first arrival can’t use a charger because they live too close.
  • edited November -1
    “Choosing who gets priority to a scarce resource is tough.”

    Not really. As long as it is equitable and transparent. Easiest is first come first served and then a time limit and a list of arrival times.

    Our plan is a charging schedule, we all work odd days so knowing when the 50 mile person is working etc. We get to work about the same time which also helps. People would put in request to charge and preferred time and then they get sorted and assigned.

    From 2021 to 2030, I’d be surprised if we have any problems with someone wanting a charge but not being able to get it. Don’t think we’ll see more EV’s than chargers. Probably going to eliminate customer EV charging. No one would expect it and it’s not a factor in their using our services.

    By charging retail for it, we make money and we discourage the home chargers who don’t need it.
  • edited February 15
    In a nutshell...the transition will be tough. I only drank the Kool Aid because I could put in solar, powerwall and wall charger and start my day with 300 miles if I needed. Not sure I would have made the leap otherwise. I respect the struggles but it would simply be too much stress for me. I know the limits of my patience.

    I sincerely look forward to the day ever darn space has a plug in. I may be old, but I can still dream.
  • @Fish,
    if you implement it as wisely as you respond to this forum you'll have fist-fights in the parking lot in no time and you'll turn most people off of EVs altogether -- which appears to be your overall goal anyway.
  • edited February 16
    "if you implement it as wisely as you respond to this forum you'll have fist-fights in the parking lot"

    Doubtful as no irrational Tesla fanbois in the shop. Interesting we do have two former Tesla owners, one a Signature S early adopter (he has a deposit on the Mach-E). All the EV/PHEV owners have home charging and live nearby so likely won't bother. Main reason is to attract employees in larger radius.
  • edited February 16
    Don’t think we’ll see more EV’s than chargers -fish

    People would put in request to charge and preferred time and then they get sorted and assigned. -fish

    Why not just assign a charger to each ev. Since you have more chargers than Evs?
  • edited February 16
    Ev chargers should have a flashing red light if a car is plugged in and not charging. A city hall near my workplace has 2 chargers and one employee uses it as a personal parking space and a Tesla was parked overnight due to the few on the car. However a green light goes out if it's finished charging and starts flashing really fast if you hit the Start charging button on the charger, so that you know the car is already charged.

    Only solution I can see is to have chargers be like parking meters. You use a credit or access card and it charges for a specfic amount of time with a limit of x number of hours and then can't be used again at the same charger that day. Like how an ATM limits the amount if cash you can withdraw every day.

    I can see companies taking away charging stations as it becomes more of an expense and employees fight for use. Do they also give free gas to employees with ICE cars? Also hybrids can run on gas so their should be no need for them to have to charge at work for free. Are employees really that cheap that they would rather suck up free electricity instead of buying gas or plugging on at home? It makes no sense to be dependant on a workplace to charge. If you get transferred or laid off and the new place doesn't have charging then you are stuck.
    I could have ridden my bicycle to work at one time but I would be stupid to depend entirely on it since things change.
  • edited February 16
    Long ways to go to build out more charging for everyone. Need more infrastructure! Some people are just not considerate, but more charging will address the problem.
  • edited February 16
    Just like handicap parking, people will always abuse ev parking spots. All you can do is shake your head.

    At the old mill building I work in we have two "vendor" parking spots next to the building. Yeah, the head of manufacturing uses one as his personal spot and heaven forbid an employee uses the other to unload equipment or run in and out real quick. There is always that one Subaru driver out there. Even the owner of the company uses the regular complex parking. Me I'm happily parked on the other side of the complex near the daycare far far away from the mess. Funny story, he use to wear a Tesla jacket around the office that he received from an employee's brother who works at a service center. He stopped wearing it as soon as I bought my Model 3. :-)
  • edited February 16
    “Do they also give free gas to employees with ICE cars?”

    Our plan is employees all pay retail rate and company makes money on every charge with charges for not moving when times up. All stuff you can program in on Chargepoint commercial systems.
  • edited February 16
    I think more people abuse " service animals" than handicapped spaces. Was in Home Depot and it was more like Petco with all the dogs people had riding in their shopping carts. I wouldn't want want poop and germ covered paws on the seats that are meant for kids to sit in.
  • edited February 16
    It will get worse with pets until it gets better. I stopped using shopping carts in almost every store. I bring my own bag or order stuff online.
    Same will happen with chargers. It might cause too much trouble for businesses to maintain, to impose rules, etc.
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