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GM battery better than Tesla, so they say ....

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  • edited November -1
    @andy,
    Lack of desire to sell or sales volume are not shortcomings of the Bolt as a vehicle. They are only symptoms of the influence that self-serving, myopic idiots have over the company. The car is a good set of wheels. Everyone I know that has them loves them and many of those are smarter than me and most on this forum.
  • edited November -1
    Battery manufacturers have already been found guilty of overpromising what they are going to be able to deliver.
    Several auto companies have been caught flat footed, and needed to stop EV production because their "battery partners" have failed to deliver the quanity they contracted for.

    They have over subscribed their production by signing up many auto companies, and promising them more capacity than they can ever hope to produce, but they still got their investments covered by overpromising.
  • edited March 5
    Ur right, its more of a company shortcoming. Unfortunate really.
  • edited March 5
    Bolts big problem was and is the lack of a charging network and high price
  • edited March 5
    The bolt is arguably better than the leaf. They just did not market it.
  • edited March 5
    SamO, don't most people charge at home though? Like a little over 80%. Most them would only need a charging network for longer trips. Although I'm pretty sure I could get a Bolt from Anchorage to Tierra del Fuego with little more than a 100' extension cord, a little luck, and, some tips from BH.

    I agree the price may be a bit high but I thing the real problem is GM not really wanting to sell them.
  • edited March 5
    thing = think
  • edited March 5
    Maybe its because the Bolt doesnt make a profit.

    https://www.hotcars.com/gm-admits-bolt-not-profitable/
  • edited March 5
    Any follow up on the Taycan that burned up in a garage?
  • @TobascoGuy,
    Yes, that 100' extension cord could get you there but you could walk about as fast.
    My early EV-1, Roadster, and Leaf roadtrips proved that long-distance trips can be done with an EV but they also proved that it SHOULD NOT be done.
    Superchargers make the difference. 50 kW charging is really the bare minimum charging speed that make it almost reasonable but it certainly falls very short of being competitive with ICE. 80 - 150 kW or faster is really necessary IMHO and my experience.
    At least GM has finally acknowledged a path to fast charging even if it is still vaporware.
  • edited March 5
    @Earl and Nagin
    Yup, it would be an adventure. A very long challenging adventure not for the feint of heart. It would also be fun. I have been accused of taking the road less traveled many times.

    I'm not dissing charging infrastructure. The more options and stations for charging the better for all. I just was questioning how much that actually contributed to Bolt sales, or lack thereof.
  • edited March 5
    GM's presentation and promises are a joke. Gali Russell (Hyperchange) was not impressed with no real evidence but only promises of vehicles by 2025. This presentation (Part 2 - Tech Deep Dive : TESLA BATTERY INVESTOR DAY: What Elon Musk will Reveal) of what likely will be coming next month at Tesla's Battery Investment Day makes me think we will be seeing very big changes in battery configurations, which will make GM's battery promises laughable.

    (Hyperchange)

    (Battery presentation)
  • edited November -1
    What this looks like in perspective is GM is shoring up confidence before our Battery Day, so they dont look stupid and preserve their stock. Mary Barra announced it. They are showing desperation.
  • edited March 5
    While the Bolt maybe great for those that bought it, but only 16,000 people bought Bolts last year. Nothing Mary Barra or her henchmen said addressed the underlying problem, a proper DC fast charging.

    Now before people start spouting off about EA, remember that no one outside of the EV world knows about EA and GM isn’t talking about it. Also, before people start quoting the line, “most people charge at home”, remember this. This isn’t about reality, it is about perception. Before people will buy an EV, they need to know that there is a way charge it when away from home because right or wrong, it’s in their heads that they need a fast way to charge when away from home.

    It is too easy to become “instuitionalized” when you live and breath EVs for years on end. You forget what non EV people think or how they perceive things.
  • edited March 5
    If only people were rational.

    jordanrichard nails it with the word perception.

    too many people see the short range and no way to charge for long distance and punt the EV idea. When, as a main commuter car, short range and charge at home would work a large (VERY large) percentage of gas vehicles TODAY. yesterday too.

    People want to know that their gas-mobile replacement EV does it better or at least the is the same as the status quo, DESPITE the actual requirements.

    Said more simply: no compromises when getting an EV.

    People are completely dumbfounded that I can take a 1,000 mile plus trip with no problems. plus when the cost of such trips is part of the equation (meaning how inexpensive it is), THEN i get people's attention.

    Myths about EVs are very difficult to clear up. Some don't want (the misinformation) to vary from their perceptions.

    the un-truth validates some.

    we r a very strange species, indeed.
  • edited March 6
    "Bolts big problem was and is the lack of a charging network and high price"

    As someone who looked at and drove Bolt before buying the Tesla, it's a great car. Reasons I didn't buy it were no power seats and no adaptive cruise.

    If Chevy adds that in the refresh, the Bolt is very competitive.
  • edited March 6
    nice stuff tesla-david
    thanks for posting the links
  • bpbp
    edited March 6
    Tesla doesn't pay for advertising.

    Every time another manufacturer publicizes their "Tesla killer", they are helping to encourage their customers to consider purchasing an EV as their next vehicle.

    And when they do look at EVs, they will find Tesla is years ahead of the other manufacturers in EV technology and long distance charging.

    As long as Tesla continues to innovate and can maintain their edge in technology and long distance charging, marketing announcements by the other manufacturers may actually be generating more Tesla sales...
  • edited March 6
    "And when they do look at EVs, they will find Tesla is years ahead of the other manufacturers in EV technology and long distance charging."

    Past tense now that EA system is almost built out. I should have the US101 EA chargers on OR and WA coasts by the time my Mach-E is delivered the end of this year. So you could say Tesla is 8 months ahead of the competition in EV's and long distance charging.
  • edited March 6
    Tesla is ahead by the rate of new charger installation difference between EA and Tesla.

    What is the rate of new charger installation of EA?
  • edited March 6
    Sure why not buy another brand of EV and take advantage of EAs more expensive charging network. Why would I want to buy a Tesla and pay a fraction of the cost on long distance journeys? Plus most of EAs charging locations have four charging stations, so I can spend more time in line with other customers, it’ll be a chance to bond with new friends.
  • Based on my early experience with GM cars and all of the corner cutting they do, a GM battery pack is a scary thing to me. After finding a plastic camshaft sprocket in a 472 engine, designed to wear slowly and make the ignition “miss”, I have never trusted anything that company says or does. I have a few issues with Tesla but nothing like the issues I have with Good-Nuf Motors.
  • edited March 6
    Wow, just listened to Zac and Jessie's (Now You Know) take on the GM presentation, and to put it mildly they were not impressed. Zac thinks that this may mark the timeline when GM sinks to irrelevance and they either go out of business or are brought out by another company in ~8 years or so. They simply don't get it about EVs. Nice discussion on why this was a complete waste of time.

  • edited March 6
    This article only reinforces the message that Tesla Battery Day will be huge and bad news for all legacy automobile manufacturers.

    "Batteries are key to staying on top of the electric vehicle segment and Tesla is the leader of the pack when it comes to batteries and energy efficiency. This has been validated by organizations such as Consumer Reports and even by competitors who go deep into their pockets and go as far as cutting their workforces to catch Tesla in terms of hardware, software, and battery technology.

    Come Tesla Battery Day, the obvious would be made more obvious. Tesla could further widen the gap and set itself apart from the rest, not just as the maker of the Model 3, Model Y, Cybertruck or other vehicles in its lineup but as an energy company."

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-day-doomsday-legacy-carmakers-electric/
  • edited March 6
    Just watched the video. Essentially, GM was answering questions, and basically saying what they want people to believe. They want people to believe GM customers are agnostic, EVs are not more efficient than ICE, yadda yadda. GM is done. 8 years sounds good to me. That will give GM more time to shut down factories and lay off enough people to not need a bail out.
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