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COVID-19 discussion thread for all

edited July 12 in Model S
Here's a new thread for everybody to have at it for all of your discussion needs. I hope we can keep this here and keep are other threads open. I wish everybody well and we will get over this sooner than most of you may think.
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  • edited November -1
    BH, not everybody wants to be a member of business insider. Sorry to break the bad news to you.
  • edited November -1
    “ Yang said it’s certainly possible that the true number of people who are infected is 10 times greater than the number of people who have confirmed cases of COVID-19. In that case, the true fatality rate would be closer to 0.2%, he said.

    But even that’s still higher than the seasonal flu, which had a fatality rate of up to 0.14% last flu season, according to data from the CDC.

    Ultimately, said Yang of UCLA,you might think of the coronavirus as a very BAD FLU that can infect a lot of people. That’s still cause for worry.”
  • edited March 26
    @tldickerson

    You were saying something about being tolerant of another point of view? Looks like you don’t even want to SEE another point of view.

    It’s all fitting now, why you take umbrage when we attack your boyfriend here.

    Two birds of a feather. Quite a pair you make!
  • edited March 26
    What is missing from the above flu vis a vis corona is that unlike corona we have herd immunity for the flu. This means far few people will come down with the flu at any point in time. With corona every one is susceptible so the mortality rate might be similar but the numbers exposed to that mortality rate are far greater with corona. Further with flu we have vaccines that heavily reduce the ability of the same exact virus to circulate year after year.
    In the Spanish flu there were 3 waves the second wave was the most deadly. We have a year or less to develop a vaccine for corona and lets hope it doesn't mutate and reduce the effectiveness of a vaccine.
    Testing has been badly botched and nation wide control is lacking we are a 1st world nation with a 4th world response. I leave it to readers to decide which party Republican or Democrat has cared about healthcare for all.
  • edited March 26
    Speaking of testing, here's an example how undertesting has overestimated the mortality rate:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-why-germanys-death-toll-is-so-low-125400840.html
  • edited November -1
    @RedShift, I think you missed my point. In order to read BH link one has to be a member of that site. I tried to read it but didn't want to pay money to join the group in order to do so. I'm not interested in being a member of Business Insider. Now that I'm stuck at home like the rest I go to many sites to read as much as I can and get other people's points of view. I didn't start this thread to argue with you or anybody else.
  • edited March 26
    It’s a click bait rag that regularly trashes Musk and Tesla. I’ve never seen a paywall in all these years, but I’m not super old.

    Upshot is that the budget and talent at CDC had been gutted by DJT which is why the US response has been the worst in the developed world (and now the plan is that your demographic become human sacrifices.) Thanks in advance for your service to our 401(k)s, since there won’t be any funerals for you to watch from heaven.
  • edited March 26
    @BH, last night when I tried your link I got exactly what I posted. I just tried again and that didn't happen. Might be a virus in my PC. My apologies to the remark I made about your previous post. Like I said, I'm not here to make trouble or start fights with anybody. I hope we can all get along and get over this Covid-19 sooner than later.
  • edited November -1
    @Tldickerson - thanks for starting the thread. Fair point that a couple of other threads have been diluted with talk of this topic, and I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge being a part of it... albeit for reasons that are designed to be informative and serve the Community. If relocating here makes sense for the Community, happy to participate.

    Thanks, @BH and @barry for your links.

    From @barry's:
    "Making direct comparisons between national mortality rates can be misleading, not just because of recording lags and different methodologies on reporting cases and deaths, but also because of the extent of testing. The more aggressively a country tests for coronavirus, the more cases of mild infections will be found and recorded in the statistics, which pushes the fatality percentage down."

    Agree 100%... have acknowledged this as well. However, a percentage is just that... comparing something so superficial as a percentage mortality across different diseases is not helpful in understanding nor controlling a specific disease process, nor does it give us the information to decide on policy.

    It is an error of thought to say that COVID 19 is a "bad cold" or "bad flu", especially when basing such a flawed notion on one, two, or three superficial statistics. There is much more happening in dealing with this disease epidemiology and biology than others in comparison, and unless one has the ability to put these into proper context, they will continue to make the same errors.

    I've been making this point over and over... because it is proven over and over, and around the world.

    However, this fact is ignored repeatedly by some folks, and the back-of-the-napkin economic machinations being played out by them are cherry-picked and incompletely reasoned.

    The actual morbidity and mortality, as well as the resource utilization and sum total of economic impact as a result, is not seen in the simple numbers being put forth to the public.

    No one -- including me -- knows how long or deep this will affect the global population. I don't espouse prognostication for "long time", or "short time" timelines, either. I would caution everyone from making the same assumptions or predictions.

    We haven't seen the full effect of this on the US, and in many other countries. That isn't gloom or doom... it is to level set expectations. There are a lot more variables in the equation than people may realize.
  • edited March 26
    Appreciate your continued input, Sb.
  • edited March 26
    @Darthamerica: We may get a better idea of CV 19's true mortality rate if and when truthful data comes out of Pakistan, which has 220 million people, a miniscule health service, and addled mullahs still urging people to attend Friday prayers.
  • edited March 26
    @Darthamerica...I predict your opinion will change about who dies if you yourself face the prospect of you or a loved one facing death from the virus.
    We pride ourselves has having a 1 st rate healthcare system but our response to a major threat is that of a 4th rate power. Either we all sacrifice equally as we should in a national crisis or should some elitists choose that they should benefit unequally. In WWII Japan threatened Hawaii and the West Coast...should only the West coast have gone on a war footing.
    By the way Taycan's offer no protection yet Tesla's have bio-hazard filters.
  • edited March 26
    This is right up there with Darth’s argument that we shouldn’t track terrorists because more people die of bee stings every year. Trump must have gotten course credit for watching the same Prager U video to come up with the Covid-car accident analogy.

    Getting intubated and put on a vent is a big deal and not a good prognostic sign. Talk of having one ventilator for every 15 in need will be a big deal. The bad cold comparison is like saying being pregnant is a like a bad case of heartburn. It’s so ridiculous as to not merit a serious response.

    Ironically, we may soon be in the position where a campaign slogan of “MAGA” is actually pertinent.
  • edited November -1
    @barry - thanks :)

    @darth - Sorry, but your back-of-the-napkin econ is still flawed. You cling to the things you think you know as opposed to considering what people are communicating. You aren't here to discuss or learn. You never were.

    Large part of your view of the pandemic is really about your own financial bias, part of it is probably tied to what @dougk71 put forth about your not having any personal context of the impact of the disease.

    Case in point is your comment on how the response to the rapidly rising infections and death slowed down a factory which supplies parts for you, which you commented on in one of your prior posts.

    The sum total of your conversations and opinion here -- really over years and multiple threads -- reveal that your real motivation is you, veiled under the guise of an ill-informed view of broader economic impact, and oblivious to the real human effects (all effects and not just health effects).

    This is really about you and your own wallet, and not about a local, national, nor global community; given how you have been prattling on about buying Taycans, Porsche's, and Rolex here, this s quite clear to anyone paying even a little attention.

    As more evidence, you are also ignoring what is coming down the pipeline globally to try and support people in need. How convenient. Until those global policies and support are fully realized, to try and espouse some modicum of understanding for the economic impact as you have been doing is entirely premature and reveals your self-serving nature.

    In short, your economic fear-mongering is transparent to me and to anyone who is paying attention.

    I more than recognize that there are people -- very vulnerable people in multiple ways -- that are in need and the numbers will grow. I know this in more ways than I need to communicate here, so your self-centered preaching disguised as population-level concern is laughable at best.

    You really don't understand the FULL impact of this disease, and you reference historical data that you apply too broadly and obtusely (i.e. the Great Depression). Wrong.

    Get with the larger program, or move on. The rest of us can have a better conversation, and explore all considerations equally.
  • edited November -1
    Hey team apocalypse, Elon just retweeted this:
  • edited March 26
    Doubt you are a first responder, @darth. Seriously. You've been telling us you are an engineer, military, and now first responder? And yet you have little value for human life, don't understand scientific concepts, have some of the most disjointed military analyses, have no concept of pollution and health effects, debunk peer-reviewed science with junk science, and your breakdown of mathematical concepts has been tilted, at best.

    Sorry, not buying it.
  • edited March 26
    Or do you mean first responder when setting up Porsche experiences? That I would believe.
  • edited March 26
    @SbMD +1000 for both
  • edited March 26
    Darth is a first responder - first to respond in the Tesla forums with misstatements, fake facts, and outright lies. Nothing new.

    @SbMD +1000 for your clarity and information!
  • edited March 26
    How come the networks do their press conference coverage backwards?

    They cover Trump and his endless repetition and babbling, then when it comes time for Birx and Fauci, Who have real facts to discuss, they go back to their regular programming (unless you switch to MSNBC or similar)?
  • edited March 27
    The experts were wrong... if you believed the fake news media who’s motivation was to terrorize Americans into compromising their freedoms and trying to blame things on Trump. Now that it’s getting harder to hide the data that the death rate of this bad cold is far far lower than previously “reported”, they’ll have to look for another angle.
  • edited March 27
    @barry, Fauci was on CNN tonight. They showed the dipshit in chief, skipped Pence and showed Birx and Fauci. But yeah, could have skipped the first section.

    @DA, no, just no. 25% of people tested in Hayward on Monday were Positive for C19. Just those along have probably infected 500 more. Don’t be an idiot. If I were a friend of yours, or even a casual acquaintance, I would have already shunned you. Fucking stupid people.
  • edited March 27
    alone
  • edited March 27
    @NYKTA

    “ Don’t be an idiot. ”

    That guy is looking at idiot in the rear view mirror.
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