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New GM Cadillac EV to compete w Tesla?

I’ve read several articles now where I think GM seriously thinks that their new EV’s latest releases will seriously compete w Tesla.
I’m sorry, but given GM’s past reputation, I fail to see how they can compete in any comparison other than “maybe” fit, finish and paint.
And, since no one buys a car based on fit n finish, GM is dreaming. Does GM Seriously think it will just leap frog Tesla in battery tech? Motor tech? Performance? Handling? Charging? Range? Longevity? Over air update capability? Safety ratings? Charging infrastructure? Self driving capability?
What the heck are they thinking?
It’s sad to think that they have squandered several earlier opportunities(EV1, Volt, Bolt) to show case what they can do.
When in fact, those opportunities have showcased what they can do.....not much.
Their reputation is already set in stone.
We are witnessing an American icon self destruct.
So sad.
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  • It is sad. GM does do more in marketing than Tesla. Advertising can often make up for an inferior product - at least for some buyers.
  • >>> New GM Cadillac EV to compete w Tesla?

    I hope so. I hope that GM spends more than two minutes thinking about what an EV owner needs to have a good experience, and provides it in their flagship brand. Things like excellent range, interior and exterior design that's as good as, or better than, their ICE vehicles. Easy and fast charging on the road - I'd give Tesla a pass on their early Model S because of Tesla's size, but a vehicle that can't drive a Cannonball Run (https://www.thedrive.com/news/29230/the-ev-cannonball-record-has-officially-been-broken-twice) within 50% of the Model 3 time is dead on arrival in the current market. Sure, nobody really cares about the Cannonball run, but people do care that the Interstates are covered with fast-charging options even if they only drive long distances once or twice a year.
  • Did they fix the ignition switch 💀
  • From 7 years ago:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2013/11/19/watch-out-tesla-here-comes-cadillacs-elr.html

    Better luck this time!
  • edited August 8
    "The first truly hands-free driver-assistance feature for compatible highways, LYRIQ will offer Super Cruise,† which allows you to enjoy the simplicity of the journey."

    "Cadillac Tops Tesla in Consumer Reports' First Ranking of Automated Driving Systems"

    https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cadillac-tops-tesla-in-automated-systems-ranking/
  • AUGMENTED REALITY HEAD-UP DISPLAY

    LYRIQ will offer an augmented reality head-up display, which employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts.

    https://www.cadillac.com/showcar/lyriq
  • "GM’s Ultium battery system future-proofed"

    https://www.sae.org/news/2020/05/gm-ultium-battery-update

    GM with the Lyriq from Cadillac and Hummer EV pickup from GMC is making a real push on EV's.
  • Now all GM has to do is to actually build something in serious quantities. Only then will I have to do soul searching to determine if I forgive them for what they did to me.
  • David N - I think you are mistaken in inferring what GM "thinks" from public statements. Everything i hear and read from automotive experts says GM's public statements are strictly for marketing purposes - to promote, and not threaten, their ICE sales. You might watch some Sandy Munro videos, or ARL invest videos to see what i mean.
  • GM - Generic Mediocrity
    I would be thrilled to be proven wrong. I hope to be proven wrong. I pray to be proven wrong.
    Sadly, I seriously doubt I will be.
    I will admit the the traditional auto manufactures are developing much better EVs. In 2-3 years they should be able to rival the Model S. The model S of 2012.
  • "The first truly hands-free driver-assistance feature for compatible highways, LYRIQ will offer Super Cruise,† which allows you to enjoy the simplicity of the journey." *

    * Requires active OnStar plan, active WiFi Hotspot, cell reception and GPS signal.

    So that's nice. As long as you are willing to pay at least $24.99/month and have a cell and GPS signal, you too can use Super Cruise sometimes. https://i.imgur.com/B2XZp5H.png

    That's a joke right?
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said:

    > So that's nice. As long as you are willing to pay at least $24.99/month and have a cell and GPS signal, you too can use Super Cruise sometimes.

    Kind of like Tesla's $10 a month.

    You get the SuperCruise connected services free for first three years. So break even for SuperCruise vs. AP is six years at which point SuperCruise costs $180 more a year than Tesla's AP, $299.88 for SuperCruise, $119.99 for AP.
  • “ Kind of like Tesla's $10 a month.”

    Not at all alike. I haven’t given Tesla a dollar since buying the car. Autopilot doesn’t rely on a feature which carries a monthly service fee.
  • Does anyone have an idea how many Supercruise equipped vehicles are on the road?
  • > @triumphbob said:
    > Does anyone have an idea how many Supercruise equipped vehicles are on the road?

    Just tried and couldn't find any specifics. I did come across a statement that more 5,000,000 miles have been driven with super cruise, so it's likely not that widespread yet.

    https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise?eVar25=VAN_CAD_EML_SUPR_CRUISE_0818
  • It sounds like it's limited to those highways that exist in their database. Our system works on any road with painted lines and processes these inputs and reacts in real time. Along with the other beta features Tesla has, its not really a fair comparison. Supercruise appears severely limited in scope and capability.
  • Cadillac Super Cruise = Waymo = Slot cars.
  • > @triumphbob said:
    > It sounds like it's limited to those highways that exist in their database. Our system works on any road with painted lines and processes these inputs and reacts in real time. Along with the other beta features Tesla has, its not really a fair comparison. Supercruise appears severely limited in scope and capability.


    Yep, I posted a screenshot of the "compatible highways" above. That they require a monthly subscription to OnStar in order to use it is abusive.
  • Yeah, and they also say:

    "Super Cruise driver assistance feature is available only on compatible highways that are separated from opposing traffic."

    "Super Cruise will not brake the vehicle when approaching an intersection that is controlled by a traffic light or stop sign. Super Cruise will not detect vehicles crossing the road ahead, including at intersections, and will not automatically steer or brake to prevent a collision. You must manually brake and steer the vehicle."

    Very disturbing that Super Cruise won't automatically brake to prevent a collision - isn't that a standard safety feature on our Tesla's?

    Sounds severely limited to me. Tesla is years ahead of GM.
  • > @triumphbob said: Sounds severely limited to me."

    Just to you. Consumer Reports found the SuperCruise superior to Tesla's AutoPilot.

    "Consumer Reports agrees with Ars: GM Super Cruise beats Tesla Autopilot
    Proper driver monitoring and a geofence make Super Cruise best in class."

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/10/tesla-autopilot-loses-to-gms-super-cruise-in-consumer-reports-ratings/

    Cadillac's autobraking for pedestrians, cars, objects got top rating of "Superior" for IIHS.org.

    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/cadillac/xt6-4-door-suv/2020

    You'll also be happy to know that 2020 Cadillac got the same "Safest Car the World Has Ever Seen" Award as Tesla did from the NHSTA, Five Stars.
  • ^ you’re citing a report from 2018? LOL. Autopilot has gotten far more capable since then.
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said:
    > ^ you’re citing a report from 2018? LOL. Autopilot has gotten far more capable since then.

    All third party looks at the various systems put the SuperCruise ahead of AP.

    Some would argue AP has gotten worse with the phantom brakes, phantom speed changes, poor lane keeping, non-existent blind side alert, non-existent rear cross traffic alert. It's these flaws that got Tesla's AP derated in the first place and they are not fixed.

    And I'm sure Supercruise has gotten better over time also.

    1. HUD
    2. Supercruise
    3. More advanced battery
    4. Inline screens
    5. Dealers

    Cadillac Lyriq is very competitive with the aging Model X.
  • > @FISHEV said:
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    > And I'm sure Supercruise has gotten better over time also.

    Why are you sure of that? Do the cars get software updates?

    More advanced battery than what, and based on what?

    And dealers being in the pro column is as funny as it comes.
  • edited August 8
    > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: Do the cars get software updates?

    If they need to but the whole software update thing is Tesla making a "feature" out of a bug, the need for updates for incomplete software.

    > More advanced battery than what, and based on what?

    "Here's Why GM's New Battery Technology Is a Very Big Problem for Tesla But Good for Customers. Lower-cost and more flexible batteries could change the market for electric vehicles."

    https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/heres-why-gms-new-battery-technology-is-a-very-big-problem-for-tesla-but-good-for-customers.html

    > And dealers being in the pro column is as funny as it comes.

    Poor communications by Tesla has made the car dealerships an advantage. Tesla's poor communications are a constant topic.

    https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/174889/contacting-tesla

    One can have opinions either way but to this topic, the Cadillac Lyriq checks all the boxes to be competitive with Tesla Model X.
  • Don't have those issues with AP, I'm very pleased with the functionality and performance. We can use TACC and Lane Keeping on any road above 35 MPH, and aren't not limited to selected divided highways with no opposing traffic. Looking at my area on their map and it's only includibg the interstate highways. Apples and Oranges. HUD - don't care, More advanced battery - how many have been fielded yet? (0), Dealers - have no use for them. Consumer Reports - they're a joke.

    It will be nice to have a little more competition in the EV marketplace, when they finally get to market with it.
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