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Mercedes raises the white flag

Demoralized by Tesla’s massive lead in autonomous driving, Mercedes has thrown in the towel to concentrate on their strengths like quilted leather and aromatherapy.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-beta-mecrcdes-benz-quits-autonomous-driving/amp/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it&__twitter_impression=true
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  • https://i.postimg.cc/ydwmXRPR/fishingstock.jpg
  • @M-A-B-MCMLXXX
    What’s it called when you fish off the back of a boat?
  • But but but Tesla is level 2 /s
  • Dropping out of the race and Tesla is only "40%" of the way there?
  • It makes much more sense for them to license it from Waymo, MobileEye or Cruise. With phones Apple does their own thing everybody else uses Android. It's going to be the same way with self driving. Tesla is Apple, they have FSD, everyone else is going to be using someone else's system. It's too early to know who the winners be among Waymo, MobileEye, Cruise or Argo but eventually there will only be one or two left and every automaker int he world will be using their system.
  • On a side note, I think they are planning to make an electric version of their G Wagon.
  • > @bjrosen said:
    > It makes much more sense for them to license it from Waymo, MobileEye or Cruise. With phones Apple does their own thing everybody else uses Android. It's going to be the same way with self driving. Tesla is Apple, they have FSD, everyone else is going to be using someone else's system. It's too early to know who the winners be among Waymo, MobileEye, Cruise or Argo but eventually there will only be one or two left and every automaker int he world will be using their system.

    Using that analogy, it is important to note that Apple is the only producer making money in the Mobile phone market.
  • Is there a real press release stating this fact?
  • Even if Mercedes dropped out, that doesnt necessarily mean they wont use someone elses software, im interpreting this as they are not developing it themselves.
  • Yes, with Waymo, Cruise, and others leading the robotaxi "car sharing" effort, MB has decided not to compete in the robotaxi market.

    Källenius said, “The conversion to a mobility provider is a thing of the past. We will move away from it again.” He continued, “You can’t make money with offers like car sharing. Our investors not only expect sales, but also above all profit.”

    Makes sense given the lead Waymo and Cruise have in Level 5 RoboTaxi technology and direct experience.
  • > @mrburke said:

    > Using that analogy, it is important to note that Apple is the only producer making money in the Mobile phone market.

    Google is making tons of money in the phone market, not from hardware but from their control of the Android ecosystem. 95% of the searches on phones go through Google, Google Maps are utterly dominant plus 30% of the revenue from the Play Store goes into Google's pocket. With self driving the winner in that market is going to make a fortune, one of the providers is going to end up with a 70% market share, the runner up with 30% and the rest will disappear. What's guaranteed is that no car company aside from Tesla is going to have their own. The closest thing to that are Cruise and Argo which are joint ventures are are treated as separate companies.
  • > @bjrosen said:
    > > @mrburke said:
    >
    > > Using that analogy, it is important to note that Apple is the only producer making money in the Mobile phone market.
    >
    > Google is making tons of money in the phone market, not from hardware but from their control of the Android ecosystem. 95% of the searches on phones go through Google, Google Maps are utterly dominant plus 30% of the revenue from the Play Store goes into Google's pocket. With self driving the winner in that market is going to make a fortune, one of the providers is going to end up with a 70% market share, the runner up with 30% and the rest will disappear. What's guaranteed is that no car company aside from Tesla is going to have their own. The closest thing to that are Cruise and Argo which are joint ventures are are treated as separate companies.

    You do know that Google will pay Apple a minimum of $12 billion, just for this year, so Google remains dominant search engine on Safari, right?
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said:
    > > @howard_98305575 said:
    > > Makes sense given the lead Waymo and Cruise have in Level 5 RoboTaxi technology and direct experience.
    >
    > Their systems, by current design, will never surpass level 4. Requiring detailed pre-mapping is inconsistent with the lack of geographic restrictions associated with level 5. Perhaps they will eventually pivot to a system where all required data are collected in real time, but for now they're developing systems which won't be able to navigate new roads, and won't be able to navigate roads that those companies don't have access to, and are therefore geographically restricted.

    You are correct with respect to Level 5 no geofence but detailed mapping data is in fact being used by Tesla. Elon has commented on this for years.

    https://www.techiexpert.com/how-tesla-is-using-artificial-intelligence-and-big-data/

    The definition of Level 5 is generically becoming "driverless" regardless of the overall maximum geographical limits. This is especially the case per CA stated understanding in granting Level 5 licenses.
  • Mercedes will outsource functionality that doesn't relate to its core business.

    Very smart.
  • “ You are correct with respect to Level 5 no geofence but detailed mapping data is in fact being used by Tesla. ”

    Yes, that was made very clear when FSD wasn’t functional until the map data was updated.

    “ The definition of Level 5 is generically becoming "driverless" ”

    No it isn’t. The definitions are clear.
  • I guess it only mattered until it didn't.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/11/18174275/daimler-tesla-self-driving-trucks-tusimple-ces-2019
  • Mapping means too many things and Howard can't tell which one is which when people that understand the differences talk about it.
  • "Mercedes will outsource functionality that doesn't relate to its core business."
    But in the future, I'd guess that enhanced navigation features will be vital to the core mission. Buying it from a third party will add another mouth to feed.
  • > @sheldon_mike said:
    > "Mercedes will outsource functionality that doesn't relate to its core business."
    > But in the future, I'd guess that enhanced navigation features will be vital to the core mission. Buying it from a third party will add another mouth to feed.

    I doubt Mercedes will buy these technologies. They'll do OEM deals, save the internal development and support costs, and focus on what they do best. A lot of people try to be the best at everything - that's expensive..
  • This is in a nutshell the Tesla advantage. You can't build software defined cars when you out source the software.
  • > @jallred said:
    > Mapping means too many things and Howard can't tell which one is which when people that understand the differences talk about it.
    >

    Elon Musk Says Tesla Will Build Its Own Maps From GPS & Fleet Data

    https://insideevs.com/news/410425/tesla-maps-driving-data-elon-musk/
  • I didn't want to get into it, but +1 jallred.
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