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President Biden should appoint E. Musk to solve the Climate Crisis

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  • This reminds me of Blazing Saddles at the campfire.
  • Methane Flaring is uppercase for lighting a fart
  • > @"blue adept" said: > Every...and I do mean EVERY...company is offered/provided "tax breaks" and other incentives by cities/states as part of attracting new businesses to their area/state in order to bolster their local economies."

    Or people don't want them and fight against the tax breaks local governments try to give away. The local tax breaks never work out for the communities as the expenses of new roads, schools, water systems, sewer systems, etc. go up while no new tax revenues come it.

    But in Tesla's case, the many Federal and state subsidies for EV's have financed Tesla to the tune of $4B+ in subsidies with still yearly $500B Federal ZEV subsidy. Tesla is exactly the response the government wanted from the subsidy dollars same for all EV's and PHEV's that get subsidies.
  • @Rx,
    The humor is appreciated but there actually IS a huge number of wind turbines in west TX.
    Credit is due to Texas.
  • Texas has the most inaccurate stereotype. They have as many fortune 500 companies as California. They are extremely business oriented.
  • > @andy_connor_e said: > Texas has the most inaccurate stereotype. They have as many fortune 500 companies as California. They are extremely business oriented."

    And anti-environment with TX the top polluting state in US as just one example of being "extremely business" oriented vs. economic justice and equality.

    Musk moved Tesla to TX so he could force employees to risk Covid19 infection to make Musk richer.
  • lol i cant believe people are still pushing that.
  • Does anyone read the smelly fish? So much hatred in that one. What a miserable life this person(or maybe an AI?) must have.
  • Banned from other major car forums, I used to think his malice toward Tesla was astroturfing but it’s clear he’s just a malignant personality, eager for attention, especially negative.

    He’s absolutely terrified of responding to threads that undermine CCS so it’s still possible he’s a paid troll . . .just the worst I’ve ever observed from a productivity standpoint.

    I’ve never seen a troll more quickly galvanize a group of people so completely.
  • hes not terrified of anything. His sole purpose is disruption, and a CCS thread that makes him look bad is already junk. No work for him to do there.
  • > @FISHEV said:
    > Or people don't want them and fight against the tax breaks local governments try to give away.
    >>

    You've got it twisted all around yet again.

    Here, let me spell it out for you in simple terms that you'll be able to understand...

    It is the "people" who live in those towns and cities who appeal to and pressure their "local governments" to lure companies to those self-same 'towns and cities' so that the locals can get for themselves a few of what has become such a scarce commodity ever since big corporations (with the government's blessings under the guise of helping America to "be more competitive in the global marketplace"...official explanation...but all that it really does is generate more money for the 'big corporations', because of the cheaper foreign labor markets, while creating region-wide economic repression here in the states in those self-same 'towns and cities') began shipping them overseas/"outsourcing" them to other countries.

    Understand now?
  • > @FISHEV
    >>

    Tell you what, let's take a closer look at those government 'tax breaks' and 'subsidies' you're so concerned with and see just what went where for the last 40 years:

    >> U.S. STATES WOO AUTOMAKERS WITH $17 BILLION IN SUBSIDIES SINCE 1976 <<

    "Over the past 40 years U.S. states have been vying for new auto plants, with 17 states granting $17 billion in tax breaks, job training funds, infrastructure development and other incentives to woo investment from domestic and foreign automakers.

    Here is a list of the subsidies, provided by Good Jobs First, a Washington-based research group.

    Pennsylvania gave German automaker Volkswagen VOWG_p.DE $100 million in incentives in 1976 to locate its first U.S. factory in Westmoreland County.

    Michigan, home to General Motors Co GM.N, Ford Motor Co F.N and the U.S. unit of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles FCHA.MI, has granted $7.8 billion since 1984 to the so-called Detroit Three, as well as to Mazda Motor Corp 7261.T, when it was still allied with Ford.

    Far and away the largest subsidy was the $2.3 billion in state and local incentives given to GM in 2009 for its Orion Township plant north of Detroit, which builds the Chevrolet Bolt EV and the Sonic.

    Nevada has provided $1.6 billion in incentives since 2014 to two relatively young automakers: $1.3 billion to Tesla Inc TSLA.O for its battery factory outside Reno and $335 million to would-be manufacturer Faraday Future for a since-canceled plant north of Las Vegas.

    Mississippi and Tennessee have provided $1.6 billion and $1.3 billion, respectively, in subsidies to Toyota Motor Corp 7203.T, Nissan Motor Co 7201.T and VW.

    Nissan has solicited $1.8 billion in subsidies from both Mississippi and Tennessee. Toyota has pulled $836 million from Mississippi, Texas and Kentucky, while Honda Motor Co 7267.T won $389 million from Alabama and Indiana.

    Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co 005380.KS, which controls Kia Motors Corp 000270.KS, has received $645 million in total from Alabama and Georgia.

    German automaker Mercedes-Benz, a unit of Daimler AG 000270.KS, received $457 million from Alabama and BMW BMWG.DE $254 million from South Carolina."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-toyota-mazda-jobs-factbox/factbox-u-s-states-woo-automakers-with-17-billion-in-subsidies-since-1976-idUSKBN1AK2BI

    You were saying...?
  • Thanks blue adept for that subsidy synopsis.
    Now look at the fossil fuel subsidies that are destroying our future.
    Something like $100,000,000,000 EACH AND EVERY YEAR
    That money if spent on renewables, health care and so on would possibly reduce everyone's taxes.

    https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative%20estimates%20put%20U.S.%20direct,total%2055%20billion%20euros%20annually.
  • > @"blue adept" said: > Nevada has provided $1.6 billion in incentives since 2014 to two relatively young automakers: $1.3 billion to Tesla Inc TSLA.O for its battery factory outside Reno.

    > You were saying...?

    That Tesla has gotten in the range of $5B in state and Federal subsidies and still gets $500M a year in ZEV subsidy.
  • Tesla started with about 1400 employees in 2011 and now has over 50,000 making more money than other auto workers (corruption of the UAW).
    Tesla put Sparks Nevada on the map besides Fremont and Berlin and Shanghi, etc. Next India, Indonesia, and Austin.
    AND DOING THIS TO GET OFF THE FOSSIL FUEL ADDICTION THAT IS CAUSING CLIMATE CRISIS.
    The small amount Tesla gets is less than 1% that the fossil fuel welfare kings get.
    Tesla should be getting 100 times more $$$ to advance.
  • > @Mike83 said: > The small amount Tesla gets is less than 1% that the fossil fuel welfare kings get."

    Tesla alone got $6B vs. yearly $18B for entire fossil fuel industry so Tesla's subsidy including the $500M it gets from Federal govt' every year in ZEV subsidy is not small even compared to fossil fuel industry.
  • > @Mike83 said:
    > Thanks blue adept for that subsidy synopsis.
    > Now look at the fossil fuel subsidies that are destroying our future.
    > Something like $100,000,000,000 EACH AND EVERY YEAR
    > That money if spent on renewables, health care and so on would possibly reduce everyone's taxes.
    >
    > https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative%20estimates%20put%20U.S.%20direct,total%2055%20billion%20euros%20annually.

    Repeat since the troll doesn't read the links and has no evidence to back up it's thoughtless and phony opinions.
  • How about appointing him to solve the vaccine crisis? I'll bet Elon delivers more than 100M doses in 100 days.
  • > @tes-s said: > How about appointing him to solve the vaccine crisis? I'll bet Elon delivers more than 100M doses in 100 days.”

    He stumbled badly, well OK, foolishly, on his “Thousand Respirators from China” thing, turned out to be snore prevention machines.

    He disappeared on claim to mfg millions of respirators.

    And then he went full QANON on public health orders for workers and factories, pulled Tesla out of CA just so he wouldn’t have to wear a mask.

    Probably not the right guy for public service.
  • Still bet he would deliver more than 100M doses in 100 days the the current czar says will be a challenge.
  • Two idiots arguing nonsense. Could it get any worse?
  • You and who else?
  • Was I arguing?
  • edited January 24
    > @FISHEV said:
    > He stumbled badly, well OK, foolishly, on his “Thousand Respirators from China” thing, turned out to be snore prevention machines.
    >

    I remember when you were oiling up the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party over them.

    "Xi Jinping, Chinese government arranged for Musk to get a small supply of ventilators as a very public (the choice of Musk who is quite a promotor) notice that China can help US if US will ask nicely" -Fishev, http://archive.vn/sCH94

    "You'd really have to say Thank Xi Jinping. US billionaires don't waltz out of China in a world pandemic with thousands of desperately needed ventilators without it going to top for the approval." -Fishev, http://archive.vn/6RiI8

    "Best bet would seem if Xi Jinping will provide any more ventilators as those he provided to Musk." -Fishev, http://archive.vn/qFRWj

    "Nice of President Xi to approve of giving Musk the ventilators to send a message to Trump has he tries to shift the blame from his disastrously failed presidency to China." -Fishev, http://archive.vn/4Usvn

    Hilariously you later disavowed your former statements.

    "No one is blaming China mfg of the home snoring devices for Musk's error in claiming they were hospital ventilators as he claimed." -Fishev, http://archive.vn/yQUK8

    Those show your M.O. When you're spinning something Elon Musk is involved with as positive, he gets no credit. When you're spinning the exact same thing as negative, he gets total blame.
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