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Mach E not even out yet but already SUV of the year lol

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  • > @teslu3 said: >If all subsidies stop, Tesla would keep on truckin' while most others (ICE & EV) would slow.”

    There are no subsidies for ICE cars so that doesn’t make sense.

    Tesla has received $4B in Federal subsidies and loans, another $1B in tax breaks from CA and NV and gets $500M a year (Tesla’s “profits”) every year in ZEV credits.
  • > There are no subsidies for ICE cars so that doesn’t make sense. -fish

    Four of the top ten subsidy recipients are ICE manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Nissan).

    No nitwittery please.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA_B7qPyUDA&t=1s


    Go to 17 minutes for the charging comparison.
  • > @SamO said:
    > Sandy Munro is doing cold weather on the 2021 Model 3 and is hearing reports that cold weather only drops range by under 20% due to the octovalve.
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    > Tesla is about to pull away from the “competition” again...
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    >

    But...

    Bighorn Posted January 1
    Sorry, slightly less than 20%. 350 Wh/m vs 300 is a 16.7% increase in consumption.

    So tesla has made no difference with their octovalve. Or Bighorn is lying. Which one is it?
  • Third hand rumors vs over 380k miles of primary experience. Hmmmm...


    Both can be true, it’s just that the 20% rumor is likely a conservative number yet to be nailed down. It could also be a short distance comparison where it is previously 30-40% vs long haul results to which I refer.
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: > Four of the top ten subsidy recipients are ICE manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Nissan)."

    They get the same EV credit, ZEV credits, loans and tax breaks as Tesla but there are no EV tax credits, ZEV credits or tax breaks for ICE cars.
  • edited January 17
    > @SamO said: > Tesla is about to pull away from the “competition” again."

    Actually Hyundai is a couple years ahead of Tesla on heat pump tech and application in EV's. Even with Hyundai's more advanced system, the range savings due to heat pump assist is about 10%.

    A lot is due to fact that resistive heater needed for first 25 miles and average commute is 25 miles so heat pump doesn't come into play for most driving.
  • > @FISHEV said:
    > > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: > Four of the top ten subsidy recipients are ICE manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Nissan)."
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    > They get the same EV credit, ZEV credits, loans and tax breaks as Tesla but there are no EV tax credits, ZEV credits or tax breaks for ICE cars.
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    Repeat after me: subsidy. GM for example was granted a subsidy for light duty truck engines in 2019.

    No nitwittery please.
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: > GM for example was granted a subsidy for light duty truck engines in 2019.

    No that was a local tax break for local plant, had nothing to do with it being ICE or EV.
  • edited January 17
    > @FISHEV said:
    > > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: > GM for example was granted a subsidy for light duty truck engines in 2019.
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    > No that was a local tax break for local plant, had nothing to do with it being ICE or EV.

    Pulling out the "just say something" card from your Trump-esque playbook I see.

    A grant from DOE is not a local tax break, it's a subsidy.

    That particular subsidy from 2019 specifically has to do with internal combustion engine production.

    So does the one from 2018, titled " A HIGH SPECIFIC OUTPUT GASOLINE LOW TEMPERATURE COMBUSTION ENGINE."

    So do two from 2017, titled "HIGH ENERGY IGNITION AND BOOSTING/MIXING TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT, and "COMPUTATIONAL DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW, LIGHTWEIGHT CAST ALLOY FOR ADVANCED CYLINDER HEADS IN HIGH-EFFICIENCY, LIGHT-DUTY ENGINES."

    So does the one from 2016, titled "A HIGH SPECIFIC OUTPUT GASOLINE LOW TEMPERATURE COMBUSTION ENGINE."

    There are hundreds of examples of ICE subsidies.
  • > @M-A-B-MCMLXXX said: > There are hundreds of examples of ICE subsidies."

    But you could not find one. Saying government financed R&D to reduce emissions is subsidizing ICE engines is false.

    Now back to EV's.
  • Bottom Feeder spewing more crap
  • @FISHEV

    Take your damn head out of the sand already, sheesh!
  • ZEV credits "subsidize" both the company who earns them as well as the companies that BUY them.
  • > @jordanrichard_629778 said:
    > "....Actually Hyundai is a couple years ahead of Tesla on heat pump tech" and ICE cars are about 100 years ahead of Hyundai with this tech. All this "heat pump" is, is a variation of the over 100 year old "tech" called a heater core and related hoses.
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    > It's like people getting all excited when I think it was Lexus that came out with headlights that turn when you start to go around a turn, enabling you to see better. Ya, anyone heard of the Tucker from the 1940's. The car with a headlight in the center of the hood, that was connected to the steering.

    Sandy Munro disagrees, he believes the Tesla Octovalve is very advanced technology suitable for SpaceX or fighter jets. He claims it can't come from the car industry as we know it.

    https://youtu.be/eGffUODWWSE?t=43

    Same with Alon glass, which is transparent aluminum. Not something you will find on most cars, but will be used by the Cybertruck.
  • Ford Mustang Mach-E delays strike as customers practice patience

    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-mustang-mach-e-delay-customers/
  • Yup, Ford made fun of Tesla quality control yet is now having their own issues. Kinda came back to bite them.
    Praise that they are at least catching it before starting mass deliveries. The bad press would have been disasterous.
    I’d would have liked to seen Mach e production in U.S. instead of Mexico. But it is what it is.
    We need high quality EV’s if public is going to change, hopefully Ford has one here.
  • @"yudansha™" https://electrek.co/2021/01/15/ford-delays-hundreds-mustang-mach-e-deliveries-additional-quality-checks/

    Also https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-sends-mass-mach-e-delivery-delay-emails-updated-with-fords-response.2792/
  • Stupid moderation snag... @"yudansha™" You can go to the electrek article here https://electrek.co/2021/01/15/ford-delays-hundreds-mustang-mach-e-deliveries-additional-quality-checks/

    Also there is quite a discussion over at the Mach-E forum... https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-sends-mass-mach-e-delivery-delay-emails-updated-with-fords-response.2792/
  • Only took 2 full business days for my moderated posts to show up.
  • Yes, advertising dollars will get you a lot of positive press.
  • Rational, try to see the bigger picture. I am saying the concept of extracting heat from a car's propulsion "system" to be used for heat is not new.

    It's like saying that cell technology is a completely new idea, when it's not. It is still radio waves being transmitted to and from towers, like old school radio. It is just done on different frequencies.
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