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MODEL S - Sport 0-60 in 4.4s? AWD options?

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edited September 2013 in Model S
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/max-2009-design/reinventing-the-driving-experience-the-tesla-model-s/

Check out 16 minutes 41 seconds in.. there is a slideshow that shows some Model S Goals...

Standard Model S: 0-60 5.7
Model S Sport: 0-60 4.4

All Wheel Drive Options.

IF THIS IS THE CASE.. I think i'll be holding out till the Sport is out.... 4.4 is 2011 BMW M5 territory!

Let's see.... OR they can surprise us all by saying, the SIGNATURE EDITIONS are the SPORT :D hahah. a guy can dream.
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  • michiganmodelsmichiganmodels
    edited November -1
    The video was from May 2009. I do not believe there will be a sport version anytime soon (if ever).
  • Volker.BerlinVolker.Berlin
    edited November -1
    <i>I do not believe there will be a sport version anytime soon (if ever).</i>

    Can you explain what makes you believe this? BTW, it is my belief that most people who are following this forum read most of the threads and therefore it is probably no added value to repeat the same post/link in multiple threads.
  • michiganmodelsmichiganmodels
    edited November -1
    Volker EU#P1 - I had a discussion with my Tesla rep regarding a sport version. According to him, there will not be a Sport version (4.4 0-60) anytime soon. I apologize to you and anyone for the inconvenience of duplicative postings.
  • NicuNicu
    edited November -1
    Of course Tesla does not want to tell about the sport version of the Model S : they have to sell the last 800 Roadsters that will be produced this year. But if you listen to the earnings report conference, Elon says he's very happy with the progress on the sports version. What's the link to the roadster ? Well, 4.4s may be conservative !
    http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/battery-weight-vs-acceleration-time#comment-form
  • Volker.BerlinVolker.Berlin
    edited November -1
    It's in the works... :-) They lived up to the original plan so far, thus it seems not unlikely that they will also meet the announced 4.4 number.

    MUSK: <i>You know, the Model S sedan has a range of up to 300 miles, pure electric. It's got - and there's a performance version that's as - (unintelligible) beat a BMW M5 around a track.</i>
    http://www.npr.org/2011/08/19/139790024/spacex-craft-to-head-to-space-station
  • David M.David M.
    edited November -1
    You know, 5.6 seconds is pretty damn fast. It's equivalent to a big V6 or a small V8 in a car much lighter than the Model S. Something like a 4.3L in a medium weight car. It will be extremely responsive. More so than roughly 95% of all cars on the road.

    I have owned BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus, Volvos, Nissan Maxima, etc. It will have faster acceleration than any of these cars that I have owned, and that is more than adequate. With passengers, you should still get 0-60 in about 6 seconds - quietly!

    Heck, it will even beat my Lexus SC430 with the 4.3L V8. Oh yeah, I will be satisfied.
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    Agreed. There will be a sport, but I bet they are trying to keep it under wraps because they still have a bunch of Roadsters to sell.
  • jfeisterjfeister
    edited November -1
    I think it's hard to say for sure. Musk is a dreamer. I like him, and as an engineer and budding entrepreneur I admire him, but I'm not so sure about how reliable his predictions are. I once had a Tesla sales rep tell me the Model X would start at $30,000, which according to the last quarterly report is not true.

    I wouldn't take anything these folks say too seriously until there's an official press release from Tesla. This is a young company developing cutting edge technology that is moving very quickly. No doubt things are changing constantly. Of course that doesn't mean we can't hope!
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    I think there is a simple explanation for the sales rep telling you that the Model X would cost $30,000: they were mistaken. I've actually heard (and continue to hear) that misstated frequently.

    I think the reason is because Musk/Tesla have always said that their 3rd generation car would be in the $30k range. The confusion comes in because the Model X is Tesla's 3rd vehicle, but the Model X isn't a 3rd generation vehicle, its a 2nd gen vehicle (same core tech as the Model S). People often get lost in the subtlety of that difference. There will be many other "top hats" on top of the Model S before we get our 3rd gen vehicle (in fact they plan on delivering a new model every year)...and they will likely all be in the $50k range like the Model S.

    All that we know about the mass market, $30k car is that it is code named BlueStar, that it will likely be a subcompact type vehicle (like the Honda Fit perhaps) or small hatchback (like the Ford Focus), and that it will go into production in or around 2015.

    I've followed Tesla very, very closely, and their 'official' message on that has always been consistent.
  • TimoTimo
    edited November -1
    Ford Focus -like car would be perfect for me, expensive of otherwise, so I hope that that type car is the one they plan for "affordable" 3th gen car. I don't need big car like Model S, and Roadster -like car is basically a toy for fun rides with very little space for anything else.
  • David M.David M.
    edited November -1
    I would not expect the Model X to have range options (different batteries), given it's size and weight. By 2015, Tesla's 160 mile battery will probably be very affordable, and will allow Tesla to obtain a $30K price point. All of the competition will still be at 100 mile range or less, so a 160 mile battery in a $30K car would still be desirable, and certainly adequate for a commuting vehicle.
  • jkirkebojkirkebo
    edited November -1
    Not sure the competition will still be at 100 miles in 2015. Nissans next gen batteries are said to be ready then and should offer nearly double the energy density. So we might have a $30k 180-mile Leaf in 2015-2016.
  • Ramon123Ramon123
    edited November -1
    To 60 times significantly under 6 will beat 99% of what's out there
  • SchlermieSchlermie
    edited November -1
    I'd really like to get the Sport version, but I'm struggling to keep my current car alive for another year so I can catch the initial release of the S. I don't think my current car will hold out an additional year for the Sport version. Plus, another $10,000 for the Sport would probably push outside my price range. Going 0-60 in 5.5s is similar to acceleration of a 5.7L 8-cylinder Trans-Am. I can't really complain about that. (But I still want the Sport.)
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    @Schlermie,
    I'm with you. Maybe my second Model S can be a sport version. In like 5 years or so.
  • TimoTimo
    edited November -1
    I don't think it takes five years for sport version. More like immediately after last Roadster has left the storage to someones garage. When you don't need to design platform it only takes few engineering changes to create sport version with enough ooomph to make million dollar ICE sport cars envy.
  • UlexusUlexus
    edited November -1
    @Schlermie,

    Likewise--- I just had to bully the insurance company into not totaling my current car in order to hold out until next year for the Tesla. It's got so little residual value right now that a fender bender is enough to have the insurance company declare it a total loss.

    The very thought of delaying longer for a Sport is enough to make me shiver. In fact, that's the main reason I'm considering upgrading to a Signature.
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    I wasn't saying that Tesla wouldn't have a Sport version for 5 more years. I was saying I wouldn't have a Sport version until my next car after the Model S (in maybe 5 years).
  • TimoTimo
    edited November -1
    :-), I missed that "my" in your sentence. So you drive the battery in a point where it is closing its expiration date, then instead of swapping the battery pack you swap the entire car? Or do you buy another (and swap that battery pack to new one)?
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    My hypothetical didn't really have anything to do with the battery pack's expected life. That's about how long I think it'll take for me to be ready for a new car, and a 2018 Model S Sport sounds like it would do nicely.
  • MTriantafelowMTriantafelow
    edited November -1
    That was supposed to read "my hypothetical timeline". Really need an edit button on these forums.
  • NicuNicu
    edited November -1
    The sport version will mostly identical to the standard one, just an extra motor + PEM in between the front wheels, and obviously some other tweaks (like new cells, better cooling etc.). Most probably it will be out 6 months after the last Roadster is sold so the buyers do not have any remorse. Expect about $20+k price hike as it will be the most powerful and the quickest sedan out there.
  • perbakkenperbakken
    edited November -1
    Should like to know if this car will ever hit the roads: http://www.rimac-automobili.com/concept_one/introduction-20
    A Model S Sport would be like a snail compared to this one.
  • Volker.BerlinVolker.Berlin
    edited November -1
    @Nicu, your posts sounds surprisingly confident. Can you provide any sources or other motivation for your assertions?
  • Volker.BerlinVolker.Berlin
    edited November -1
    "post", singular. We need that edit button.
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