Model X

Roof Rack System possible?

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  • edited November -1
    They will need to figure this out if the want to fully tap into the SUV market. SUV's are almost half of Porsche sales.
  • edited November -1
    Thanks Alex K for great hydraulic roof rack proposal.

    For those who wonder why not just drop the subject and start thinking about towing:


    1) There's no info on Model X towing but Model S manual says "Not Permissible"

    2) Even if it is permissible, it is a special skill that I do not want to risk as a new learner with increased risk of accidents because the following skills are very different:

    a) Backing up
    b) Turning with wider turn
    c) Acceleration and Passing
    d) Following distance
    e) Grades--steep hill
    f) Braking
    g) swaying/instability controls...




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  • edited November -1
    Tam - I agree. I'd rather sacrifice range for a camping trip than tow a heavy trailer.
  • EQCEQC
    edited November -1
    I like Alex K's ideas, *except* the hydraulic/motion feature is ONLY serving to move away from the falcon doors, and might cause extra issues if obstacles/ceilings hinder the motion of the rack (and therefore the doors).

    I'm thinking Tesla may implement a powered version similar to this design:


    The X roof rack could slide backwards, onto and maybe past the lower back end of the X. It may pivot further down if it moves past the liftgate. This way, it gets out of the way of the falcon doors AND brings the rack to an easier loading height.

    Suddenly, the design accommodates the falcon doors and is more usable than anything you could attach to a traditional high/square-backed SUV. Double win for Tesla.

    Admittedly, there is one obvious drawback: you won't be able to open the rear hatch and the falcon doors at the same time if a rack is installed....small price to pay, I think, since both the rack and the hatch are for cargo.
  • edited November -1
    Folks, I am really amused at the number of people who seemingly didn't look at the picture of the X when placing an order. Personally, I did and love the look of the FW doors. If you really want an SUV with a roof rack and/or can't see a way to put skis inside the X, sounds like you should buy a different SUV. Sabre-rattling about cancelling your order if the FW doors preclude a roof rack at this point in the process is unlikely to generate a major change in the X design. (I'd love it if you would cancel 'cause that would move my reservation number up in the schedule.)
  • edited November -1
    @[email protected].com

    Unfortunately, I hate to admit that you may have a point.

    It would be unreasonable for me to demand a roof rack for DeLorean time machine, but hey, this is Tesla :)


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  • edited November -1
    Yes the falcon winged doors are California cool. However, they are a liability as they limit the MX in its utility. Many sport enthusiasts want to occasionally haul skis, kayaks, bikes and other items and the gull winged doors prohibit it. They also eliminate the sun-roof option that the MS offers and will cause problems hitting rollup doors in many garages.

    A simple solution is right under our noses. The solution would still allow for a greater opening and it would incorporate some roof opening for easy assess. A slide opening door similar to those used in vans would be far more practical. Think about it!
  • edited November -1
    If we believe that TM employs some of the best engineering minds of our time I can envision a solution that has a sensor for a mounted roof rack. If the roof rack is attached the doors slide like on a conventional van. No roof rack sensed, then they open like falcon doors.
  • edited November -1
    I know that the Falcon wing doors are programmable to not open fully, depending on the height of your garage. This is the same as the hatchback on the current model S. With that capability, a couple of options open up. I'll mention one:

    Have two locations for skis: one on each of the the outside edges of the roof. If you only open one door at a time, it can open fully. If you insist on opening both doors at the same time, the proximal (central) segment of the door simply opens up to 75 degrees instead of 90. The rack, being located basically at the intersegmental hinge point, would have a minimal impact on the total door opening, and you would easily be able to carry all kinds of skis. Simple. Requires no additional hardware of any kind to be installed.
  • edited November -1
    The simplest solution would be to offer an optional alternative type of doors.

    I need to carry kayaks and canoes on my roof and might want to also tow a pop up trailer at the same time.

    Elon Musk has said he is a great fan of optionality. The Falcon Wing Doors create more problems than they solve for many SUV owners.

    Look in any parking lot. Full Width Roof Racks come on many vehicles and many others have added them.

    Skinny racks for just a pair of skis just won't cut it. We need to be able to take all of our toys with us.

    I don't need Falcon Wing Doors. Pop out and slide back doors will work great for me.

    Please Offer Optional Rear Doors!
  • edited November -1
    Buy a Highlander.
  • edited November -1
    Or a Honda Odyssey.

    It may sound easy to offer many door options but each variant would have to be crash tested and approved. That takes big bucks.

    It's simpler to just offer one door style and let folks decide for themselves if they work for their lifestyle or not.
  • edited November -1
    There's no way that a door on a car or SUV can ever be deactivated from opening (except for child safety - and those must still be operable from the outside. Think legal issues and crash safety, fire exit, etc. Disabling any door functionality will NOT be an option.

    Also, this of you who suggest a moveable roof rack might want to reconsider. I have roof racks on several vehicles. All of them are firmly attached for a reason. No form of roof rack latching mechanism can be strong enough to meet the requirement of several hundred pounds of load plus wind action. That's why the Model S roof rack is BOLTED ON with eight separate bolts. Tesla's engineers are geniuses, but they cannot defy physics. Roof racks have to be bolted securely to permanent fitment points unless they are clamped onto rain gutters/rails, which do not exist on most modern cars, including the Tesla.

    The last thing we want is things falling off our cars for our buddies to strike with their batteries, causing fires... Elon says they are going to figure out the roof rack conundrum, and there truly is no such thing as a competent SUV that cannot handle skis, snow boards, and kayaks, but the Falcon doors are a pretty big hurdle.
  • edited November -1
    The front shifting hydraulic one is interesting, but one that comes up from a trailer hitch location would be more practical. Load stuff at street level and then it just rotates up to the roof.

    You could have specialized holders for skis, kayaks, mattresses....
  • EQCEQC
    edited November -1
    I posted a youtube link to this in action earlier, but found a few pictures that might show it better. I know it doesn't solve all the problems (the front-to-back rails still block the falcon doors), but something similar to this would allow you to slide the load backwards onto or past the rear lift gate. An additional engineering tweek to fully accommodate the falcon doors might be as simple as having 3 segments to those side rails: on the front of the X, on the falcon doors themselves, and just behind the falcon doors. In this way, you get falcon doors + roof rack + easier/lower loading of stuff onto the roof rack.

    This was known "No Boundaries" roof rack for the Ford Escape, and the whole rack slid backwards and rocked down to clip into the bumper. It could then double as a bike rack, or simply make loading/unloading light items easier.


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  • edited November -1
    Just wondering:

    <blockquote>1) Did no one actually watch the video of <b>Elon Musk</b> introducing the <b>Tesla Model X</b>?
    <ul><li><b>Tesla Model X Reveal:</b>
    <li>Many of the complaints noted in this thread of messages are addressed in the video.</li></ul>

    2) That rack on the <b>Ford Escape</b> has continuous, fixed side-rails on either side.
    <ul><li>Those side-rails would block the <i>Falcon Wings</i> from opening.</li>
    <li>There is nothing to prevent you from installing a rack that covers the forward moonroof instead.</li>
    <li>There could also be a 'piggyback' rack that covers the rear hatch.</ul>

    3) I rarely see anyone cover their entire roof with haulage.
    <ul><li>If you will be regularly transporting a mattress, kayak, or canoe, don't get a <b>Tesla Model X</b>.<li></ul></blockquote>

    Any questions?
  • EQCEQC
    edited November -1
    I agree that the X is probably not intended for people who regularly carry large loads on their roof. I also consider roof racks a bit of a pet-peeve in a sense: so many vans/SUVs/etc. come with them as standard, and I would bet most never get used. While some people do use roof racks regularly, an un-used roof rack just means slightly higher upfront cost and slightly worse gas mileage for the life of the vehicle.

    I also agree that the Ford Escape rack wouldn't work as-is...but it does show that the idea of a very simple sliding rack has been done before. Something "similar," but with some engineered modification to accommodate the falcon doors is plausible.
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    Here in Norway people regularly transport objects on the roof of the car. Everything from furniture and kayaks, to skis/skiboxes (skibox with luggage), building materials +++.

    Model X is probably supposed to be the "best SUV in the world" when it arrives. With it`s serious roofrack limitation it won`t, at least in Teslas second largest market - Norway.

    And to you guys marginalizing the problem and state "buy another car": covering up peoples everyday needs like that is pointless. Why is it so important to argue that we need to live with this door solution that is so impractical for ordinary families? 100K cars are ordinary middle class cars here in Norway.... Yes if I hadn`t had the need for carying things on the roof on my car every now and then (on average maybe once a month on trips etc) I would gladly take the falcon doors! They are stylish, and I don`t think snow will be a problem anymore. But they`re just a too big of a problem for the average norwegian family to be overlooked :( I have the Model S now, and when I`m not forced to use the skibox for skis/snowboard or extra luggage I`m glad to leave it behind, but on some trips it`s absolute necessary. And it will be on the Model X as well if I`m not forced to cancel my reservation.
  • edited November -1
    I live in Los Angeles. Honestly, I have rarely had to deal with snow in my travels. I've never lived anywhere that it snowed with any consistency. Though I did have a few <i>'snow days'</i> when growing up on the farm in Mississippi. So a lot of the things people elsewhere have to deal with regularly, from salt on the roads to snow chains, are absolutely foreign to me.

    There is also the fact that in the past 25+ years that I've lived in Los Angeles, the grand majority of people who purchase four wheel drive trucks or sport utility vehicles do not actually use them for their intended purpose. If you have seen the movie <i>'Cars' (2005)</i>, there is a sequence that happens during the credits. <b>Sarge, the Military Jeep, is running an off-road boot camp for city slicker SUVs, whose tires have never been off of pavement or asphalt.</b> They literally have never actually gone off-road a day in their lives.

    That is what I see every day in Los Angeles. Big, huge, bulky, gas guzzling, so-called off-road sport utility vehicles that are never used to transport anything heavier than their overpriced stereo systems and 24" chromed wheels on low-profile run-flat tires. In all the time I've lived here, this has also seemed foreign to me, because in Mississippi, such vehicles would be covered in so much mud and grime you could barely see out of the windshield, let alone remember what color the truck was painted.

    What I'm saying is that, unfortunate as it may be, the <b>Tesla Model X</b> is not an actual <b><u><i>Sport<i></u> Utility Vehicle</b>. It will be, as are the grand majority of SUVs in Los Angeles, a poser mobile. It will certainly be capable of going off-road. It will certainly be capable of handling inclimate weather. It will certainly be capable of people hauler functions. And for the most part, it will be very capable for hauling cargo. But in practice, it will be driven <b><i>-- HERE --</i></b> by show-offs with more money than brains, far more often than not.

    The <i>'Sport'</i> function will not fully accommodate the needs of skiers, kiyakers, canooers, hang-gliders... etc. The <i>'Sport'</i> description refers to how it will perform while driving, on and off road. Not so much to the activities one will do once they arrive at their destination. Sorry.
  • edited November -1
    Hm, "poser mobiles" owned by ...
  • edited November -1
    I say ditch the falcon wing doors, or offer them as an option. Any disadvantage to not having these doors is insignificant. Living in Colorado pretty much every vehicle, including numerous Model S's, have a roof rack. How am I going to carry my mountain bikes, skis, kayaks - especially for a family of four? I love most everything about the Model X but I can't even consider one without the ability to mount a roof rack. Forget the receiver hitch idea - too limiting.
  • edited November -1
    I have good news for everyone who does not want Falcon Wing doors! No, this is not an April fool's joke. In a few short years, Tesla will be producing a less expensive SUV that will have standard doors! Model X however, will not be changed. Live with it.

    When there is a need to move furniture one can always rent a truck. I have never carried anything on the roof of my car, although I have an F150 that has a bike rack built into the bed. Pretty handy, but I plan to sell it when I get the Model X.
  • edited November -1
    This is not a hard issue. Simply have one door stay closed and put the rack on that one side. This way you could still carry the vast majority of gear without issue and the falcon door on one side would still allow ingress and egress with ease. Hitch mount rack for everything else.
  • edited November -1
    Why is there so little trust here. Don't you think that the company that puts the most advanced vehicle on the road is able to design the best roof rack system there is?

    It could slide upwards, it could slide forwards, possibly it could slide to the sides, whatever they come up with it is not rocket science. And as you know they could even handle it if it was rocket science.
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