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What state will the Giga plant be built?

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edited November -1 in General
How about an Indian reservation.
You would only have to deal with federal laws not state laws
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    Dunno yet.

    Tesla is likely looking for state incentives, not just federal laws.

    I wonder what would happen if all states said "sorry, no incentives, just build where you want to."
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    It will probably be in CA because we have the best incentives for renewables.
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    Except for the fact that they've said the only states in the running are TX, NV, AZ, and NM.
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    Including Texas signals an strategy to weaken opposition to Tesla's business model there. If successful raising the money Tesla will spend 1.6 Billion and create 6500 jobs where it builds the plant. Believe me the Texas politicians are drooling to get that cash and may back off of their resistance.
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    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101456297?__source=yahoo%7cfinance%7cheadline%7cheadline%7cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101456297%7cTexas+auto+dealers:+No+sp

    Texas auto dealers say no special treatment for Tesla. If the BEVs disrupt the ICE and oil industry in a few years, there will be increased political an public hostility against Tesla. Texas politics is like some Banana Republic in the old days.

    Arizona is another politically backward state, even though the governor voted the latest anti-gay legislation. The state is also getting into the religious issues. NM?

    CA may make the most sense after all. In the context of a $5B investment, it may make sense to get a piece of land close to the factory with railroad access, roads, etc. The climate is pleasant and more of an open society. There is a lot of talent that can hired from the universities in Northern California. Easier to manage. Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown is very supportive of renewables. OK, he did Jane Fonda, but I would not hold that against him. He was not the only one back in those days.
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    Bubba,

    I wish California could pull out a surprise win here with the gigafactory... Reno, NV area looking the overtly strongest candidate. Nevada has been very good to Tesla and Solarcity. Vegas has its own superchargers just for its fleet of 100 Ms's (maybe more in the future). Also Nevada just gave Solarcity business of the year award for customer satisfaction. Solarcity also has a major operations center in Vegas as well. Roots are already set.

    Proximity to Nummi is about 192 miles as well to mines in the northern Nevada and Wyoming. Tax free state as well as very supportive of business.

    Still hope California does something to get the gigafactory. Many many jobs and billions in state revenue for potentially decades is not something to leave on the table.
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    There is a lot of wishful thinking here regarding CA. Tesla has stated in no uncertain terms that the Gigafactory will not be built in CA, for good reason too. CA has among the worst business and political climates in the entire nation, which isn't going to change any time soon. I would imagine Tesla is avoiding CA like the plague. Tesla builds in CA because of the incredible deal it got in purchasing the NUMMI plant. If it weren't for that they wouldn't be building in CA either. BTW I live in CA.
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    They had a deal with NM when the Gubernator trumped the deal. NM sued, and I think they settled.
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    It will never be in Texas. They are only on the list so they can "lose it". Don't mess with Tesla. Bam!

    It will most likely be Nevada, almost purely for geographical and geological reasons.
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    @Homebrook
    California must be doing something right. It has some of the best universities in the world like Stanford, UC Berkley, etc. All kinds on innovative companies started there like Tesla, FB, Google, Apple, Intel, PayPal, etc. I have told that tech talent makes the difference. Companies like Google, can relocate anywhere in the world, never pay any taxes. But the don't.

    I do agree with you that Nevada seems to be the best location for the battery gigafactory.
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    As it appears that Tesla is looking for a new place for a factory. I live in New Mexico, and after reading the news as to which states allow the direct sale of the vehicle, why would Tesla even be looking as locating in Texas and Arizona, who won't even allow sales. The perspective of requiring a "stealer ship" has lived its day. Tesla, there is a lot of open spaces in New Mexico, plenty of room for expansion and acreage no farther than 50 miles from Albuquerque, plenty of qualified workers, clean air, and a state that loves new business. Give the US Gov a run for their money, since they are the largest employer in the state other than the state itself. Being located at the I-25 heading north and I-40 heading East and West, great for shipping. One may even go further in-depth as to which city/area, McIntosh sounds good, lots of room but still close to Albuquerque, and only 10 miles south of I-40 and 50 miles to the 25/40 interchange, rail-ways as well, consider looking. It is a relatively low income state, so jobs are needed, and the weather...well the best year round and it is dry.
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    @dwfauber,
    New Mexico has state income tax! Nevada does not have state income tax, is much closer to the Tesla factory, cheap electrical energy till Tesla deploys solar/wind electricity. Direct rail and highway access. They will probably pony up incentives, but the tax + logistics advantages are unbeatable. As it is management (Elon Musk) is stretched between N. CA, Hawthorne/SpaceX/Texas, Solar City... and where he has a house with 5 kids.

    No peep from Panasonic and partners, so far. May be they can not come up with the $1B to sit at the table. Panasonic had financial difficulties in the past. I got a feeling that Panasonic participation in will be quite small. What Tesla needs is their technology and expertise to run the factory. It does not matter about the capital, because Tesla can get another $B from the shorts who have been pilling in. Rest can be borrowed to finance the equipment, etc. Capital outlays for solar/wind energy can be delayed and use hydro power from the utilities.
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    ↑ Flagged.
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    Quadruple post, so flagging as well.
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    The content is reprehensible as well. And incomprehensible. If you're going to post in English, study it for a year or two first.
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    It looks like Tesla dangling the Gigafactory carrot in front of AZ and TX, both states banning direct sales, just might have obtained some results: "Meanwhile in Arizona, lawmakers are set to consider a bill that would allow Tesla to sell cars in the state without establishing a dealer network, reversing a ban that dates back to 2000. “This is a great opportunity for us to send a message that we welcome business and we welcome Tesla here to Arizona,” state Rep. Warren Petersen, the bill’s sponsor, said..."
    <a href="http://time.com/30445/tesla-states-new-jersey-york-arizona/">Tesla’s War With the States Shifts Into Overdrive</a>
    If only Tesla can get TX to move on their ban it would be a real coup, given its size, cheap real estate, business climate, expert employee pool, and access to solar and wind power.
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    Texas is too big and rich to be sufficiently influenced by the Gigafactory. Their dealers are huge and they will buy political influence. Besides, Texas wants to protect their oil/gas industry, no matter what. $BBBs at stake here. Arizona has state income taxes

    I think that Nevada would be better due to the logistics, taxes, etc. Wide open spaces. Minimal regulations.
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    Too bad State of Washington isn't being considered. There's lots of open land in the Columbia Gorge area and there's Wind, Solar and hydro for power. There's also access to railroad and Columbia River for transport of product.
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    Does anybody know if Tesla has announced a target date for making a decision on where it will build its Gigafactory?
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    My vote is Nevada near Reno. Lots of sun and great laws. Plus many people can afford 2 Teslas a Model S and X for the wife.
    The other states limiting Tesla sales are a drop in the bucket. States I have no interest in visiting or running a business in any of these states that limit free capitalism.
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    First time I posted. But need to add that any state that ignores global warming is a place I don't want to go to.
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    Homebrook "Does anybody know if Tesla has announced a target date for making a decision on where it will build its Gigafactory?"

    I believe it needs to be made by the end of the year. They need to start building in 2015 to finish at least phase I by 2017 to get it rolling to hit the final 2020 deadline.

    But, I like to add 1 year to any prediction within 2 years, and 2 years to any prediction 5 years away.

    It seems to work that way with previous Tesla timelines.
    Model S delivery date delayed about a year or so for Signature holders.
    Model X delivery date delayed from end of 2013 to end of 2014 to "end of 2014 for first run, 2015 for production run"
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    Mike83;
    Since it has disappeared over the last 17 years, flatly falsifying all predictions, it's easy to ignore. It routinely scores in the lowest ranks of polled public priorities. With excellent reason. It was never anything but a kludged computer projection/fantasy anyway. Busted.
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    @ Bubba2000 (February 28, 2014)

    << Texas politics is like some Banana Republic in the old days. ... Arizona is another politically backward state, even though the governor voted the latest anti-gay legislation. The state is also getting into the religious issues. ... CA may make the most sense after all. ... The climate is pleasant and more of an open society. >>

    If you pay attention to the news, you learn that CA is losing a massive amount of business to TX, where the State is much less likely to burden with taxes and regulations.
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    @Brian H, what has disappeared?
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