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Almost all Americans want climate change action

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/maps-show-where-americans-care-about-climate-change/

If this is true why are fossil fuel companies advisors in charge?
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  • edited March 2017
    I just wonder if the people polled actually knew their energy and gas prices would go up if action on climate change took place. Most people have no idea how it would affect them.
  • edited March 2017
    Tar sands and fracking is costly and polluting. Solar and wind are cheapest, provide jobs and produce higher living standards. Fossil fuel companies will be sued for obfuscation about the deadly climate disruption they are causing by burning fuels.
  • edited November -1
    @massimo. Did the thought actually cross your mind that people may actually understand the consequences of climate change and want a clean environment for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps they also realize that flooding of coastal cities, mass starvation and more wars have their financial costs. They may also recognize that moving away from fossil fuels could become reduce energy costs in the future.
  • edited March 2017
    @massimob

    If those people know to adjust for the health, environmemnetal costs, they just might side with the environment. Unlike the fake 'smart' conservatives, always litigating common sense.
  • edited March 2017
    SCCRENDO - Yes it has crossed my mind, it's just that people may not know what all of that entails. Notice how no other state went in the direction of California with our Global Warming law ? The rest of the country saw how it affected us, and no one wants to follow suit. Sure, Lefties may talk a big game, but no one passed legislation like us. Funny thing is, every single person in California could drop dead tomorrow, and it would not lower the temperature a single shred of a degree.

    RedShift - its very difficult to guess the costs of health and the environment. I should probably tell you that government lies all the time. A good example is the California High Speed Rail, whose estimate went from $33 billion to $98 billion.


    The US represents 4.5% of the global population, unless China and India are on board, it's pointless.
  • edited November -1
    What does 4.5% of the population matter if we're consuming far more fossil fuel per capita--mindless statistic in this debate. And China and India are leading the way with conversion to renewables as their cities have become unlivable due to pollution.
  • edited November -1
    @massimo. We all need to pull our weight and set an set an example. Just because your neighbor craps on his lawn is no reason for you to follow suit.
  • edited November -1
    Wow @massimo. Ever heard of CARB standards? 16 other states have adopted them.

    "I just wonder if the people polled actually knew their energy and gas prices would go up if action on climate change took place."
    Two points on that: First, the external costs have been totally "free" to the petropolluting industries. Second, if NO action on climate change is made, the consequences would be more than a few more cents per gallon.

    No?
  • edited March 2017
    The fossil fuel industry is government subsidized by how much a day? I forget. hmmm
  • edited November -1
    In Russia, the gateway to Hell. The experiment of burning fossil fuels has bad results.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/siberia-batagiaka-crater-climate-change/
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    massimob30

    Maybe people just don't want to find out what would happen if action on climate change DOES NOT take place?

    And by the way energy and gas prices will not go up because they will be capped by ever falling prices of renewables.
  • edited November -1
    Al1+10
    Logic is beautiful.
  • edited March 2017
    @Mike. I wish we could provide some to our present leaders.
  • edited November -1
    Bighorn - it's just conversation at this point. Until they walk the walk, it's only conversation.
  • edited March 2017
    Rxlawdude - businesses pass their costs onto consumers, this is pretty well known at this point. So yes, the costs to businesses has been zero.

    I just think the apocalyptic predictions seem to be a bit much. Look at what Al Gore predicted and what has come true, it's embarrassing.
  • edited November -1
    SCCRENDO - if my neighbor took a dump on his lawn, maybe I should applaud him. He would be fertilizing his lawn, helping it grow, which would absorb some CO2. It wouldn't be my method of choice, but he is pulling his weight and setting an example.
  • edited March 2017
    Al1 - Come to California, your theory doesn't pan out. We have the highest gas prices in the nation, by a huge margin, and some of the highest energy prices.

    http://gasprices.aaa.com
  • edited March 2017
    Our local electric co-op offered solar generated electricity for an additional monthly cost per kW. So far, not many are wiling to help fund a change to cleaner self sustainable power. Our various counties are also in the process on blocking Wind Turbines.
    "Not In My Backyard"
    They can't see that far down the road I guess.
    As to many of our complaints, be it 'Buy American' or supporting 'Cleaner Energy', most are not willing to vote for 'Change', with their dollars or are not willing to implement local support groups to help enlighten people.
  • edited November -1
    "We have the highest gas prices in the nation, by a huge margin, and some of the highest energy prices."

    We also have the strictest restrictions on formulation of gasoline and the refineries. I appreciate the cleaner air. Obviously, some don't. (May I suggest lovely Bakersfield as a domicile?)
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    @SCCRENDO
    The old adage about the least capable people get advanced rings a bell. Uneducated people are very unhappy and I can see their frustration as they certainly cannot connect the dots but to claim they know better is the epitome of arrogance. Having lived awhile I see the same mistakes again and again.
  • edited March 2017
    Almost all Americans want climate change action...but they want somebody else to pay for it!
  • edited November -1
    @massimo. I guess its good I don't live in your neighborhood
  • edited November -1
    Fake Mclary is spreading Fake news. LOL. Must be involved with the fledgling short stock investors. This is good to see.
  • edited March 2017
    Rxlawdude -

    Look at the temps since we passed our global warming law in 2006, it has gotten much hotter. That shouldn't have happened since we have stricter rules on carbon emissions.
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