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  • edited September 2017
    Hey leery one, the NASA report you posted was dated 24 July 2017. Since then we have some updated information. And the most up to date information does not support the mantra that the Arctic sea ice is melting away to oblivion.

    According to the NSIDC, it is becoming more and more obvious that the 2017 sea ice extent minimum was 4.636 X 10^6 km2 on 13 SEP 2017. Since then, four days in a row the sea ice is growing. The latest is 17 SEP 2017 - 4.861 X 10^6 km2. At the end of this month, the NSIDC will provide the final report for the official sea ice minimum for the 2017 melt season.

    If 4.636 X 10^6 km2 turns out to be the 2017 sea ice minimum for the Arctic, then 2017 will have closed higher than the 2016, 2015, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2008, and 2007 melt seasons. Doesn't look like to me that the Arctic ice is melting away to oblivion like you global warming worshippers wish it to be!

    leery one, I'll add you to the list of Captain Planet's buddies who are all chanting "MELT DAMMIT MELT!"
  • edited November -1
    Captain Planet, you need a history lesson about Texas politics. Democrats ruled Texas for over a century after the American Civil War. Houston was developed under democrat party rule. You are a typical lying liberal if you are trying to make the case that republicans were the ones who built Houston in a flood zone.

    As I've stated before. There is nothing extraordinary or unusual about Captain Planet. He is just your average ordinary goofy dumbass lying liberal democrat!
  • edited September 2017
    @Welfare_Mitch. Again you remain scientifically challenged. The amount of ice melting over a few days does not determine whether climate change is happening or not. Most of us wish that Texas A&M taught you some science. Do you even use any science in your weather forecasting or do you just look out of the window and report.

    This link will explain what is going on in the Arctic and perhaps will get you to understand the graphs you link.

    It's immaterial who allowed Houston to be built in a flood zone and allowed building over wetlands. But Obama wanted to correct that and Trump has just reversed that. He does not want any environmental regulations to interfere with the free market's right to build wherever they want.
  • edited September 2017
    That article you just posted confirms what I've been saying. "Though slightly larger than last year, the minimum sea ice extent 2017 is average for the past ten years..."

    What do you think 2017 is supposed to do Captain Planet? Just shoot up way above the 10 year average for the sea ice to recover? No. It will recover gradually as it melted gradually.
  • edited November -1
    "This allegedly South African impostor is obviously a Progressive/Socialist mole engaged in a furious, hyperactive, corrosive, anti-conservative posting campaign. If you parse his posts, you realize he's not just an AGW worshiper, but also a supporter of the Top American Crime Family, of Transgender Propaganda, of Socialized Medicine, of any and all anti-Trump trends, and of all his brothers in arms on these Forums. Incapable of truth or reason, he responds to criticisms only by spewing his vicious name-calling and Progressive/Socialist venom against the authors."

    Judgmental much? (Actually, I think it's more just "mental.")
  • edited September 2017
    @eandmj: "Scientists have been warning Californians of an impending Earthquake that could lay waste to everything West and in proximity to he San Andrea's fault line. Not many listening there but I'm sure when it happens Donald Trump, Republicans and Global warming will some how be the cause."

    No, but I'm not sure that Trump and the Republicans would vote for FEMA funds. Seriously.
  • edited November -1
    Hey Welfare_Mitch. Read the article carefully and it will explain that when climate is going in one direction or the other it is not a steady trend where each year is slightly less than the next or slightly more than the next if the trend is upwards. That is why we have statistics. And indeed each decade is showing a significant downward trend. Are you truly that science illiterate that you cannot comprehend this or are you just being obnoxious?

    @rxlawdude. I did not bother to respond to "brain scrap" (Remnant). He truly has no scientific understanding, is a blind Trump follower and also is an extreme bigot particularly against foreigners. He has limited understanding of the constitution that he purports to follow. He feels I am unqualified to vote because I was born outside this country. He is truly a nasty, ignorant piece of work.
    Btw I saw Hamilton on Saturday night. Very impressive but I guess not as good as the Broadway production.
  • edited November -1
    Captain Planet, it is quite obvious to me that you are ignoring the Arctic melt slow-down. The sea ice minimum decline has been flat for the past 10 years. Guess what? NCEP is forecasting La Nina conditions. Got a cool-down right around the corner. And you global warming worshippers are in a panic!

    The likes of Captain Planet will be screaming, "Melt dammit melt!" I don't have a lot of faith in climate predictions. It will be interesting to see if NCEP is right about this one.
  • edited September 2017
    Welfare_Mitch. BS alert!!!!!
    NASA will put this in perspective for you
    And please read the discussion here.

    Makes me wonder if you are competing with Brain-scrap for scientific illiterate of the year. How do you make weather forecasts? Do you look at data or just look out the window???
  • Thanks SCCRENDO. Figures 2a and 3 at the nsidc link nail it.
  • edited September 2017
    @science-isbetter. LOL. I think my 5 year old grandson would be able to understand this. But remember we are dealing with Welfare-Mitch here.
  • edited September 2017
    @MitchP85D (September 18, 2017)

    << I think you and I have two different perspectives of Captain Planet. You think there is something particularly disdainful about Captain Planet. I think he is your plain 'ol average, ordinary, typical, common, mainstream liberal democrat! I would surmise that 95-99% of all democrat party supporters agree with everything Captain Planet spouts off! And yes, that is a huge problem for America! >>

    Well, we seem to agree with regard to the contents of his ideology, while you attention me that he is not alone and that his group is a huge problem for America.

    So, we agree in most respects. What separates us seems to be how we feel about Captain Planet. Disdain or a warm and fuzzy sense of endearing for his antics because they look so much like those of his lovely community of think-alikes who are "a huge problem for America"?

    You know ... !? Your vision may be even scarier than mine.

    The "huge problem" has become the "Alt-Left" and seems to have led to BLM, Antifa, Riots, and Masked Thugs clobbering innocents, damaging property, looting, setting cars and stores afire, and excusing such behaviors as legitimate defense against "speech as violence" and Court adjudications that disagree with their expectations or desires.

    Antifa as Fascism reborn? Why not? After all, Fascism and Nazism were outgrowths of Socialism in their time.
  • edited November -1
    @Remnant. Most would suggest that you do not create a warm and fuzzy feeling on these threads. Perhaps you would generate that warm and fuzzy feeling at Trump ralllies, KKK rallies or indeed neo-Nazi rallies. Many would suggest that your brand of bigotry, lack of scientific facts and general lack of grasp of reality are of far more concern to this country and the planet.
  • edited September 2017
    @ Remnant: Many fine people were marching in Charlottesville carrying swastikas and KKK signs.

    And then there's the case today of the Ohio fireman who said he would save a dog before he would save a (word omitted).

    And you say that "his group" is a huge problem for America. If so, I'm for the the problem.
  • edited September 2017
    Yep, just as I thought. The NSIDC is now confirming that it looks like the Arctic ice has reached its minimum for 2017. This is a preliminary report. They think the sea ice got down to 4.64X 10^6 km2 on 13 SEP 2017. This is the 8th lowest on the 38-year climate record.

    I spoke with my climate expert co-worker today about the NSIDC report. We both work in the big operations room. I do the marine forecasting for ships, tug-boats and barges. He does climate forecasting, and is very well versed on all of the climate index models. He told me today that the 2012 Arctic sea ice minimum is the lowest we will see in our lifetimes! He said the PDO is going negative, which means the warmer waters from the Pacific will be shut off at the Bering Strait, thus impeding the enhanced ice melting in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas.

    I agree with my colleague! For the next several years, you will see the Arctic Sea ice report stating things like, "this is the 10th lowest on record, or 7th lowest on record, or the 11th lowest on record," instead of "1st lowest on record, 2nd lowest on record, or 3rd lowest on record."

    The Arctic Sea Ice melt has bottomed out. We have been in a pause, and now I strongly suspect the sea ice will gradually expand over the next 3 decades before it starts to shrink again. I am on record here. We will find out who is right. 5 years in a row, the Arctic sea ice has closed above the 2012 minimum. Not one of you global warming worshippers have dared to answer my question. HOW MANY YEARS IN A ROW OF THE ARCTIC SEA ICE MINIMUM CLOSING ABOVE 2012 WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU TO START QUESTING HUMAN-CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING??!!!
  • edited September 2017
    Make that "QUESTIONING"
  • edited November -1
    I suspect the answer will be muted nonsense! It could be 20 years in a row, and you global warming worshippers will still be yelping, "The ice is melting, the ice is melting, and we will all drown!"
  • edited November -1
    I suspect the answer will be muted nonsense! It could be 20 years in a row, and you global warming deniers ARE still be yelping, "The ice isn't melting, the ice isn't melting. Whatever you do, just keep burning carbon."

    Fixed it for you.
  • edited November -1
    Holy smoke. The Keeling curve hit near 410 ppm CO2 last June. It is apparent that facts must be avoided and questioned by the Climate Disruption Deniers and indeed cherry pick their data to reinforced a false conclusion.
    Thank goodness the rest of the world that is more civilized and educated can read a graph and see satellite pictures without cataracts or drugs like Limbaugh blurring their vision.
  • edited September 2017
    Thanks @Mike83, scary facts indeed. We just got back from trip to Germany and Austria, and were very encouraged by the many solar panels, and wind farms we saw driving through those countries. We also saw quite a few Tesla's on the Autobahn , and in Vienna. Visited a Tesla showroom in Vienna, not far from our Hotel. Lots of discussion about EVs on our trip, and it was very apparent that Europeans get the seriousness of AGW/Climate Disruption and are actively engaged in doing something about it.
  • edited September 2017
    Excellent news and glad you had a great trip. Several years ago we traveled to the Netherlands and Germany. They are moving ahead. I noticed the dollar is weakening from 1.07 to 1.20 now! Cost more to visit the EU but Teslas may be less expensive there now. I would like to drive a P100D on the autobahn and through the Alps maybe picking up some chocolates in Switzerland. Amazing and hopeful how the world is moving ahead along with California, Oregon, Wash., New York and the other smart states.
  • edited October 2017
    It would be oh so nice in that alternate universe where my mind resides if every person who taps into the federal coffers to bail out his/her personal disaster situation would, from this day forward, just shut up about keeping government small and pay their fair share of taxes.
  • edited November -1
    +42 @NoMoPetrol

    Maybe Cheese's mom didn't teach him the "golden rule".

    Please watch to see if you are a psychopath . . .
  • edited November -1
    @NoMoPetrol, great rant, couldn't agree more!
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