Thanks for the link MIke. It's time for the science deniers in general to start taking note and listen to scientists. While science does not always get everything right, following peer reviewed scientific facts brings you far closer to reality than your own random intuitions, religious beliefs, selfish greedy politicians and biased right wing news sources.
One doesn't need to give up religion to believe scientists but letting one industry control the politics is just plain dumb. I found this link for those people returning home to a flooded home. One thing that bothers me is mold. Very hazardous.
This is what scientists are saying about Harvey and not what DENIERS claim they say, again deniers attempt to never blame burning fossil fuels but try to scapegoat anything they can.
Mike83, keep in mind the CBC article has nothing to do with DENIERS, climate, or even politics. its about people building on flood plains and not recognizing that FLOOD is right there in the title and that water will have no place to go but up if you put something solid beneath it.
Dchuck, the question is does man's activities to date have any affect on the frequency and severity of those flood events. I'm sure it's hard to accept our actions as possible contributors. And if we have contributed, are we willing to change our behavior to improve things?
At this point it really isn't a question of whether or not we should be "willing" to change our behaviors as it is that the unfolding environmental disasters dictate that we must.
The link above gives a pretty large list of what could possibly go wrong. From what I could understand ICE cars are clearly not any better.
Water can get into wires, transmission parts, the exhaust or other places. Deeper water could enter the cylinders that surround the pistons. Trying to start the car could bend parts that connect the pistons to the rest of the drive train, said John Nielsen, managing director of automotive engineering for AAA. Oil, gasoline, antifreeze, brake fluid and other liquids could have water in them that could cause damage if not replaced. Nielsen recommends having the car towed to a mechanic for inspection. Depending on the severity of flood damage, he says the cost of refurbishing a car likely will be more than replacing it.
Here comes an interesting part though. The cost of refurbishing a car likely will be more than replacing it. That's clearly about ICE cars. Electric cars have nowhere nearly as many parts and most of them can be replaced.
Most expensive part is battery indeed. However it is sealed. And besides even the electric battery has pretty decent salvage value. So the chances are pretty good you are still better off with an electric car.
I am sure there will be more of that discussion as we get more data about impact of the flood on electric cars in particular.
From an owners perspective probably all Teslas currently on the road are insured and have full coverage. Yet what it costs to insurers is important as it will have impact on future insurance fees.
Strong storms have been causing carnage as they come ashore since the beginning of recorded history.
Not sure if we can blame it on human caused climate change, or just climate.
We have had several years of below normal hurricane damage in the US. Would not be unusual for storms to revert to the average or even more than average in the coming years.
My biggest gripe is with our government continuing to provide below market rate insurance for coastal communities. Would be far better for us to locate our population centers inland where things are safer.
Low lying coastal communities should be discouraged from building in known storm paths.
"My biggest gripe is with our government continuing to provide below market rate insurance for coastal communities. Would be far better for us to locate our population centers inland where things are safer.
Low lying coastal communities should be discouraged from building in known storm paths."
Agree. These should be considered "open space" and not zoned to build.
"Please explain why Houston is experiencing its 3rd 500 year flood in 3 years?"
Because the statisticians were wrong?
Guessing flooding probabilities is as dicey a prediction about a weather event as one can make. We don't have anywhere near 500 years' worth of data for what's now the Houston area, so the predictions are made based on what paltry weather records we do have, leavened with guesses about how the area would respond to X inches of rainfall in Y hours. Do they update the guesses to account for the effects decades of building? Beats me.
You can "blame it" on AGW, paving over swampland, or the wisdom of building in known flood plains. Maybe all three.
Comments
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hurricane-harvey-return-home-guidelines_us_59a97e31e4b0354e4409e760?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/did-climate-change-cause-harvey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/how-to-deal-with-flooded-cars-in-harveys-wake/2017/09/03/79c1812c-9098-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_story.html?utm_term=.67071283c29f
At this point it really isn't a question of whether or not we should be "willing" to change our behaviors as it is that the unfolding environmental disasters dictate that we must.
Those people need shovels...to dig their heads out of the sand.
Water can get into wires, transmission parts, the exhaust or other places. Deeper water could enter the cylinders that surround the pistons. Trying to start the car could bend parts that connect the pistons to the rest of the drive train, said John Nielsen, managing director of automotive engineering for AAA. Oil, gasoline, antifreeze, brake fluid and other liquids could have water in them that could cause damage if not replaced. Nielsen recommends having the car towed to a mechanic for inspection. Depending on the severity of flood damage, he says the cost of refurbishing a car likely will be more than replacing it.
Here comes an interesting part though. The cost of refurbishing a car likely will be more than replacing it. That's clearly about ICE cars. Electric cars have nowhere nearly as many parts and most of them can be replaced.
Most expensive part is battery indeed. However it is sealed. And besides even the electric battery has pretty decent salvage value. So the chances are pretty good you are still better off with an electric car.
From an owners perspective probably all Teslas currently on the road are insured and have full coverage. Yet what it costs to insurers is important as it will have impact on future insurance fees.
Not sure if we can blame it on human caused climate change, or just climate.
We have had several years of below normal hurricane damage in the US. Would not be unusual for storms to revert to the average or even more than average in the coming years.
My biggest gripe is with our government continuing to provide below market rate insurance for coastal communities. Would be far better for us to locate our population centers inland where things are safer.
Low lying coastal communities should be discouraged from building in known storm paths.
Please explain why Houston is experiencing its 3rd 500 year flood in 3 years?
We can "blame it on humans."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/29/houston-is-experiencing-its-third-500-year-flood-in-3-years-how-is-that-possible/?utm_term=.49a4f00fc2b5
Low lying coastal communities should be discouraged from building in known storm paths."
Agree. These should be considered "open space" and not zoned to build.
"Please explain why Houston is experiencing its 3rd 500 year flood in 3 years?"
Because the statisticians were wrong?
Guessing flooding probabilities is as dicey a prediction about a weather event as one can make. We don't have anywhere near 500 years' worth of data for what's now the Houston area, so the predictions are made based on what paltry weather records we do have, leavened with guesses about how the area would respond to X inches of rainfall in Y hours. Do they update the guesses to account for the effects decades of building? Beats me.
You can "blame it" on AGW, paving over swampland, or the wisdom of building in known flood plains. Maybe all three.
Not sure why everyone is so concerned..., I heard from a high profile source that "It's called WEATHER!"
Devastating as Harvey is, it was not unprecedented. It tied for 14th among the worst U.S. hurricanes since 1851, says climatologist Judith Curry.
http://triblive(dot)com/opinion/editorials/12677741-74/climate-change-or-canard
As bad as this was, there have been many worse with lower levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.
https://qz.com/1069298/the-3-of-scientific-papers-that-deny-climate-change-are-all-flawed/?utm_source=
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
This is an objective scientific assessment.
http://triblive.com/opinion/editorials/12677741-74/climate-change-or-canard