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Is the Porsche Taycan better than a Tesla?

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  • The sad part is that he doesn't understand on purpose.
  • > @"TeslaTap.com" said: So no, it is not all that fast to charge a Taycan, even at 270 kW (not 277 kW)."

    Well the Porsche's 800V system makes it the fastest charging production EV which is why Porsche did it and why Tesla and other EV mfgs are following suit.

    " OEMs are ordering 800-volt inverters for future flagship models."

    "Delphi Technologies announced that another premium OEM has signed-in for its 800-volt inverters for upcoming all-electric vehicles."

    "The company was not revealed, but it's a European OEM, and the third out of the top four global premium OEMs in the world, which means that Delphi is conquering the segment."

    "It's also a sign that multiple automotive groups will in the coming years offer 800 V battery systems in its high-end models."

    https://insideevs.com/news/443256/delphi-inverters-top-global-premium-oems/
  • Grandson, you will be in big big trouble for disobeying your Granny.
  • @FISHEV repeating the same lies over and over doesn't make them true.

    As for other companies using 800V systems, there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps they will learn from the Taycan mistakes and produce a better design, although if 800V only, their cars will only have access to a subset of stalls that provide 800V. Supporting both 400V and 800V in the same car adds quite a bit of expense and eliminates any tiny weight advantage 800V might offer. That's why the Taycan 150 kW 400V option is $460 extra.

    Those companies that have to rely on the awful CCS charging system are forced to use higher voltages and the risks they create if they want to compete with Tesla. This is because the more common older CCS 400V system is technically limited to 150 kW (375 amps). These are quite underpowered compared with Tesla's 400V 250 kW Superchargers (625 amps).

    Still perhaps in 5 or 10 years, CCS in the USA will have a few more of the high-power stalls and it will be less of an issue as it is today.
  • > @"TeslaTap.com" said: > This is because the more common older CCS 400V system is technically limited to 150 kW (375 amps)."

    Tesla and Electrify American 150kW chargers are all 400V range. The EA 350kW chargers can go up to 800V to match the Taycan. They'll ramp down for lower tech cars like Tesla so Tesla could still use it with the CCS adapter.
  • Excuse my grandson. He lost his marbles long time ago.
  • Lower tech cars that can charge faster on significantly less power. you should listen to your grandma
  • Based on my highest Voltage of 410V, the 200A Setec CCS adapter would let Tesla charge at 82kW.
  • Go to bed.
  • i hear grandma has cookies
  • > @andy_connor_e said: > Lower tech cars that can charge faster on significantly less power."

    A Porsche charging at 270kW is "charging slower" than a Tesla at 100kW?
  • A Porsche has to charge approx twice as fast as Tesla to go the same distance in the same time.
  • > @FISHEV said:
    > > @andy_connor_e said: > Lower tech cars that can charge faster on significantly less power."
    >
    > A Porsche charging at 270kW is "charging slower" than a Tesla at 100kW?
    >

    150kW, but yes. Taycan is less than half the efficiency of Model S.
  • > @andy_connor_e said: > 150kW, but yes. Taycan is less than half the efficiency of Model S."

    It's actual efficiency is higher based on the real world range at 70 mph constant where it beats all Teslas.

    But much more technically advanced, starting with the 800V system which all EV's, including Tesla, hope to implement in the future.
  • Just because a couple of people can hypermile in a Taycan or pick one narrow speed to beat EPA numbers, so can owners of Tesla cars. A Model S can get over 701 miles of range if you really want to. So again the Tesla can charge dramatically faster even with these rarely used techniques.

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-model-3-hypermile-world-records/

    Tesla has no reason to go to 800V, as it offers no real advantages other than fake marketing scams. No one is going to buy a car because it has 800V or 400V charging. They are going to buy a car that actually charges quicker than another, and every Tesla sold today always charges faster in miles per minute gained than the terribly inefficient Taycan.
  • > @"TeslaTap.com" said: > Tesla has no reason to go to 800V, as it offers no real advantages other than fake marketing scams."

    It allows for lower amps and less cost of materials and labor on wiring in EV's which, as you can imagine, is a lot.

    It allows for faster charging, about twice as fast as voltage increases.

    "Delphi To Supply 800-Volt Inverters To 3 Of Top 4 Global Premium OEMs"

    https://insideevs.com/news/443256/delphi-inverters-top-global-premium-oems/
  • Sorry, more lies from FISHEV. Voltage by itself has nothing to do with charging speed. Charging speed is the combination of power delivered over time and the efficiency of the vehicle. The result is miles gained per hour. Tesla outperforms every 800V vehicle in production today. It doesn't mean someone can't make an efficient EV that has a faster-charging speed at 200V or 1000V. I'm sure it will happen - and it could be Tesla beating its own records before anyone else gets into production. Lucid seems to have good potential for fast charging.

    The Taycan weights more than the Model S. Some of that is due to the poor choice of an 800V system that requires thicker and heavier insulation in the cables, and thicker and heaver connectors. On top of that, they need additional contactors and electronics to support 400V 50 kW charging, since, without it, the Taycan would be stranded at many locations, although this is painfully slow. It's also a more costly system than what Tesla uses, and maybe why the Taycan Turbo S costs $170K+. You have to pay even more to get 400V 150kW charging, as that's optional.

    Not sure why Delphi's hope to sell the awful CCS charging systems to some compliance cars that might appear in 4-5 years is relevant. By then, CCS could be dead in the USA, especially once the VW money runs out to fund EA this year.
  • edited January 8
    > @"TeslaTap.com" said: Voltage by itself has nothing to do with charging speed."

    Clanger du jour.

    "Greater current and higher voltages charge batteries faster,"
  • Thanks TT for the TechTruth
    Always learn something with your posts
  • > @blkice said: > Always learn something with your posts"

    Your welcome. Not sure where the clanger about voltage came from, a wish to be right vs. basic tech.
  • again fish, pretending to not understand does not work.
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