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150 mile Nissan Leaf



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    <i>There was never a Model S rated at 300 EPA miles.

    Correct. They changed to the new EPA before Model S was delivered, but it was designed to make 300 miles on <a href="">the old EPA 2 cycle</a>, that matches (more or less) the <a href="">NEDC (New European Drive Cycle)</a> where it does indeed get a <a href="">312 miles rating</a>. When Model S was rated with <a href="">the EPA 5 cycle test</a>, it got 265 EPA-rated miles. To stay true to the promise to deliver 300 miles, the claimed 300 miles at 55 mph.

    @Brien H:
    <i>Prior to 2011 the MS had a 300 mi rating on the 2-cycle test, IIRC.

    But it was never "rated"? Or does I recollect wrong?
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    Don't recall if the prototypes etc. had an "official" number. Wonder what the first Sigs' stickers said.
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    At one point the estimated target range for Model S 85 was as high as 320 miles. I think it was reduced as certain realities were made known. I believe that overall, the packaging of the Model S was simply ingenious. Superb design in all aspects. Excellent focus on safety. Forward thinking feature additions. But all that also added weight, which cut into Range bit-by-bit.
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    @Brian H
    <i>Wonder what the first Sigs' stickers said.

    I may not recollect right, but I think it was rated 265 miles before the first Sig's. I recollect that there was some early rumors that some Tesla intern had "rated" the beta to 320 miles - 20 miles above the target - with the EPA-2 cycle.
  • edited November -1
    As a former owner of a Nissan Leaf, I am not too sure why some of the threads state waiting around hours for a charge in the Leaf, or no Fast charging? I had a Fast Charge port which performed a charge in 20 minutes. If they add a larger capacity battery, I presume the amount of additional time would be in the order of, no more than 5 minutes. Adding additional range might help some, but the majority of Americans drive a 40 mile or less commute. As I can attest from my 2 years of ownership with 40 mile commute, range anxiety is a false fear. I had more than enough range for my daily driving. I have never ran out of juice, however I have run out of gas before. Range concerns can easily be managed by how you drive. I averaged 153 MPGe for my 2 years of operation.
    The Nissan Leaf is a Mid size car, a 5 person vehicle, with an internal capacity comparable to that of an Altima, however, slightly narrower.
    The handling and features of the Leaf is that of a premium car, like the Altima.
    Is Nissan changing the method of charging with this higher capacity battery? If not, Fast Charging is, and has been a part of the Leaf's design.
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    I gave my Leaf to my daughter to drive and have the S now. Leaf is in few ways much better car than S. I would point out reliabilty, price, seats, space, preheating with seat and driving wheel heating. Space comes on the expense of looks of course. Noise isolation in the back is very poor, but otherwise if the range suits, like to my daughter, it's a damn good car. Fix the looks and multiple battery options bring plenty new BEV drivers on roads.
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    Nissan LEAF safety, rated poor on one of the tests. And again, the lack of a battery temp management is a problem.
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